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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: snesbit on March 17, 2009, 08:51:36 PM
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Was hoping someone might be able to identify this mark. The satin finish is nicely done. more peachblow coloration than the pics show. Nice enamel decoration. Measures 10", 4 1/2" in diameter.
Thanks in advance for any help.
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it has been the issue of long discussion and speculation in each and every glasss forum for the past 20 years. But no one has been able to identify the PK mark yet....
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Ivo,
As a newcomer, thanks for the reference to past discussions. I'll try to find something in the earlier posts.
Is there a leaning sentiment as to whether this is a Bohemian or British product?
Again, thanks for your informed input!
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In reviewing the previous posts, the consensus was that, despite an erroneous thread referencing Pairpoint, the vase is Bohemian.
However, no attribution to a particular factory or decorating company was made. Any new input would be very much appreciated.
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I don't think we have any new input, but as it pops up commonly in the UK and is only significantly different from other painted Bohemian vases in that it is signed (although I did see one with 10 on it yesterday) I would go with Bohemian. I think that PK was a refining company rather than an individual, as the one piece I have handled, although of adequate quality, was nothing like this piece. In addition, the bases seem to vary, which implies different glass manufacturers. All this is just my thoughts.
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Could it not be Palme Konig ? i did suggest it some time back but got no reply . :huh:
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I cannot add anything except maybe a humerous observation. At a show in January of this year I was talking with an art glass dealer & he had a couple of these PK vases. Anyway he said "PK right?" & I said yeah...then he rotated the vase...and he said "Presto...now its AVI". We had a good laugh over that. Ken
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I"ve also seen durand kimball from the later years floated as a possibility
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Its definately not Durand Kimball. This type of glass is nothing like Durand Kimball & this was discussed a couple of years ago on the board in a lengthly post as i recall. This is a Bohemian style while Durant Kimball is American art glass. I doubt that we'll ever know who/whom/what PK stood for.
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I found one of the PK posts from a couple of years ago pertaining to the Durand Kimball discussion.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3751.msg29241.html#msg29241
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Oh No!!!!!!!!!!
Not the "PK" discussion again!!!!!!! ;D
/Blair
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I didn't say I thought it was durand kimball, i just said that's another popular option for this mark. No personal opinions expressed or implied. :)
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I didn't mean that personally azelismia & sorry if it came off that way. It just that PK has undergone multiple discussions with no results including the Durand Kimball attribution from the James Julia outfit & their attribution whcih was to be polite a bit of a stretch if you compare the two styles/types of glass.
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yup, it is a bit of a stretch. but, I try to keep an open mind on all options cause yah never know what bit of unexpected evidence will turn up one way or another when it comes to old companies and what they made. Look at some of the crap Legras put out compared to some of their higher end stuff.
nothing surprises me anymore. :)
I do have a very crappy biscuit jar that is marked durand. it's clearly not the same thing as durand as we know it. I have no idea what the origin of it is. maybe there was a company who tried to sell things based on a similar name or something. Or maybe the decorator was named durand. I bought it as a curiousity.
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg172/thefiresidecat/collection/unidentified/durand.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg172/thefiresidecat/collection/unidentified/durand2.jpg)
but with all that said, I think the odds of durand kimball being responsible for PK or my jar as being about as high as Aliens abducting me from my bedroom every night and returning me before dawn.
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yup, it is a bit of a stretch. but, I try to keep an open mind on all options cause yah never know what bit of unexpected evidence will turn up one way or another when it comes to old companies and what they made. Look at some of the crap Legras put out compared to some of their higher end stuff.
nothing surprises me anymore. :)
I do have a very crappy biscuit jar that is marked durand. it's clearly not the same thing as durand as we know it. I have no idea what the origin of it is. maybe there was a company who tried to sell things based on a similar name or something. Or maybe the decorator was named durand. I bought it as a curiousity.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg172/thefiresidecat/collection/unidentified/durand.jpg
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg172/thefiresidecat/collection/unidentified/durand2.jpg)
but with all that said, I think the odds of durand kimball being responsible for PK or my jar as being about as high as Aliens abducting me from my bedroom every night and returning me before dawn.
Hmmmmmmm...I see "URAN" on your cracker jar....You're just missing the first and last "D" and THEN we could attribute this to "Durand"!!! ::)
/Blair
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it is stylistic the first d goes around the uran and forms the last d as well. it could be duran without the implied double d by circling the whole word but it definitely starts with a D. :)