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Title: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Bernard C on April 01, 2009, 05:19:50 AM: (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/normal_DSCF0520.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-11537)

Click image for gallery with three additional views.

Height 8¼" 209mm, weight 2lb 4½oz 1037g. Neatly finished strap handle with cut oval thumb rest at the top. Accurate 16-point star to base, which shows considerable light wear. Note the cut pattern continuing all the way round below the handle.

I bought this because it seems to be clean, undamaged, and unrestored, and it looks early to mid Victorian to my inexpert eye. Also, if I've got it wrong, it will do nicely as a water jug on our dinner table! There's nothing quite like it pictured in any of my books.

Enlightenment sought, please.

Bernard C. 8)
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Frank on April 01, 2009, 06:53:59 PM: American?
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Bernard C on April 01, 2009, 07:35:33 PM: Quote from: Frank
American?

Frank — although the whole jug doesn't match anything in my books, all the individual features are there in different combinations. So a British attribution is more than likely. Having said that, I have no idea what American jugs are like.

Bernard C. 8)
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: glass on April 01, 2009, 08:09:29 PM: I believe this to be a water jug c1840 and it is most likely to be English. The handle on your jug has been applied at the top and then pulled, later jugs will have their handle applied at the bottom and then pulled up.

Nice one
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Bernard C on April 02, 2009, 11:05:22 AM: Sean — Thanks for that.

Bernard C. 8)
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Carolyn Preston on April 02, 2009, 11:50:23 PM: Quote from: glass on April 01, 2009, 08:09:29 PM
I believe this to be a water jug c1840 and it is most likely to be English. The handle on your jug has been applied at the top and then pulled, later jugs will have their handle applied at the bottom and then pulled up.

Nice one

Okay, stupid question here. ::) How can you tell which way the handle on a jug has been moved? :huh:

Carolyn
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 03, 2009, 06:41:05 AM: The fatter rounded blobby bit is where a handle starts; the thinner less even bit is where it finishes. Browse a few jugs and you'll see what I mean. Here's (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2864) an example of a handle put on the opposite way to the jug in question. The dating is only a guide/indicator; it's not quite set in stone.
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Bernard C on April 03, 2009, 08:42:53 AM: Carolyn — The earlier strap or pump handle, where it was fixed at the top and pulled down, goes back into the mists of time. The dab handle, where it was fixed at the bottom and pulled up, was accurately dated by Hajdamach (p.274) to about 1867, from a Hodgetts Richardson & Son patent and a series of Thomas Webb design registrations, themselves interesting as they show incomplete evolution of the top fixing of the dab handle (Gulliver p.270).

Such an innovation would have been spread worldwide within weeks, particularly when given the oxygen of publicity of patents and design registrations, so, as is frequently the case, Hajdamach was unable to trace the originator(s) or even the country(ies) of origin of the new dab handle. Note that the strap handle continued in use for a long time after 1867.

Bernard C. 8)
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 03, 2009, 09:06:40 AM: Bernard!!!
Quote
accurately dated by Hajdamach (p.274) to about 1867
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Bernard C on April 03, 2009, 09:13:34 AM: :kissy:

Bernard C. ;D
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: 18thCGlass on April 03, 2009, 05:02:05 PM: Hi Bernard

At first glance; yes, your jug does look 1st 1/2 19th C; but to me, it doesn't quite add up. As you have mentioned; the strap handle, even though it was generally superceded by the stronger dab handle in the 1860's continued to be produced, so can't be relied upon as a definitive dating feature. The way the handle is formed and the style and general 'feel' of the cutting doesn't quite ring true with me as early 19th C; and the item as a whole has the look of a later pruduced piece. Cut glass other than Irish Georgian isn't really a strong suite for me; but I feel your jug may well date to the 1920's/30's when a lot of 'Georgian revival' glass was produced.

Trev.
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Ming on April 04, 2009, 07:03:47 PM: I agree with Trev on this. It does not look like mid 19thc to me. Too clean and strap is too uniform. 1920's reproduction.
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: tonyatl on April 04, 2009, 07:29:56 PM: i would also go with 20th C. ...the earlier suggestion about american doesn't ring true either - certainly not in the cut glass tradition...my first impression was eastern european latter half of 20th C. but would not defend that statement without handling or better pictures (although the photography was excellent).....how is that for conviction? :-\
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Carolyn Preston on April 05, 2009, 01:25:54 AM: Thanks Christine and Bernard for all your help :kissy: :chky:

Carolyn
Title: Re: Cut crystal jug / ewer with strap handle
Post by: Bernard C on April 05, 2009, 02:19:20 AM: Trev, Ming, & Tony — Grateful thanks for your time and interest. So it looks as if I've bought a water jug for our dinner table! That's OK, we needed one anyway. ;D

Carolyn — Glad you found this discussion useful.

One point I failed to make above is that none of the patents / registrations cited by Hajdamach were actually for a dab handle — they were for other features. It just shows that there can be valuable information found in patents and registrations incidental to the specific patent or registration itself.

Bernard C. 8)