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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: malcyp on April 11, 2009, 06:56:47 PM
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hi, does anyone know the age and make of this vase please,
hopefully its not a year old from ikea!
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Looks thoroughly modern to me. Sorry.
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I think we've seen these vases on this board before - although I seem to remember it was a blue/opal cased one last time. In agreement with Nic I'm afraid, it's modern - but funky looking nonetheless :-)
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oh well,it only cost a quid,i have stuck it on ebay so people who collect the holmegaard coloured glass can see it,you never know someone might like it.
thanks for the info.
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Yes, I've just spotted the auction.
It is a worrying trend where eBay sellers assume that they can put anything whatsoever in their auction texts as long as they follow it with a question-mark. This is just my opinion, but if you head up an auction with the title "Holmegaard?" you're indicating that you think it might be Holmegaard, but you're not 100% sure. You can be 100% sure that it's not Holmegaard. It will be either Chinese/Turkish/Indian and will have been retailed through TK Maxx or a shop of that ilk.
I can say with absolute certainty that people who specifically collect Holmegaard cased glass, paying upwards of £150 each for some of the more common vases, will not be interested in this vase - and so you would be much better served with keywords such as Pip mentioned: 'funky' and target it towards the people who don't really care what they're buying, as long as it's bright and cheerful. The glass Holmegaard produced has nothing in common with this vase in terms of style, form or quality of manufacture.
Also, you're purposefully ambiguous about the age, when two separate professional dealers in primarily 1950s-1970s glass have told you it's pretty much brand spanking new. For the same reasons above, ambiguity doesn't add anything to the vase's appeal. And there's nothing wrong with saying a vase is new - you can even make a feature of it by calling it "contemporary" instead.
This isn't a ticking off of any kind, more of a suggested guide, as it seems you're pretty new to eBay selling and, I'm guessing, just copying what you've seen others do - but purely from the perspective of a glass collector armed with a little knowledge it would come across as lazy at best, and dishonest at worst - which would be a shame because you clearly want to know more about the glass you have by dint of being a member on this board.
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hi, does anyone know the age and make of this vase please,
Hi,
It is probably as old as the 2 'Whitefriars lookalike' vases you have photographed it with..................
Regards, Patrick.
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Patrick, I was just wondering about those two in the background - are you saying they're the modern Far Eastern copies that have been talked about so much?
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That's right. Have you ever seen a genuine Whitefriars hooped vase in Ruby? Unfortunately they also come in Aubergine and Green, more difficult for the new collector , but although I wholeheartedly disapprove or any fakes or copies, to be fair this seller does list them as repros, small comfort!!
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Hi,
The 'Onion' vase could be right but if the Ruby 'Hooped' vase was correct , it would be the FIRST know example!
Regards, Patrick.
Ps, Perhaps the original poster could tell us what they know about them ??????
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This could be the first the poster knows that he may have some 'dodgy WF'
if so may i offer a group hug.
:ghug:
Andy
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no,they are all reproductions i was selling quite a few of them for a while but now given up because the market is saturated.these are just a few of my own collection.
i like them a lot but couldn't afford the real thing.
i have been collecting glass for a while now and have a brother in finland and i can get hold of riihimaki vases and iittala at quite reasonable prices.
but i find great enjoyment going to car boots and picking stuff up for a couple of quid and selling them on.
on the listing title on ebay i wrote retro 60's style,i never said it was old.
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I HAVE ADJUSTED THE LISTING AND DESCRIPTION ON EBAY.SO IT DOESN'T DECEIVE.
ALSO I DON'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE ON HERE AS IT IS A GREAT RESOURCE ON IDENTIFYING PIECES I AQUIRE.
THANKS
MALC
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Cheers Malc,
keep carbooting, hopefully youll find a nice original piece of Whitefriars soon.
Andy
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Hi Malc,
It sounds as if you could answer a question ...........................
What country are these repros. made?????????????? I suspect China but it would be great to know.
Regards, Patrick.
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i think they are made in pakistan or india,but there is a glassblower making drunken bricklayers in horncastle now,after i sold him one!on his feedback he has recently bought a tv vase and a coffin vase,so there might be more copies coming soon.
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Yes, indeedy.
If only he'd stick to creating his own patterns and reputation, instead of piggybacking fashion and knocking out mass reproductions that cheapen and devalue the originals. Sigh.
I know that he doesn't reproduce in the standard WF colours (as far as I know), but the ubiquity of the bricklayer design in varying colours and various grades of quality means that I no longer fancy owning one of any description.
Should a couple of previously unknown sky blue coffins suddenly show up on the market, that could make for interesting times.
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Sky Blue coffin vases are on pg.36 of the 1980 catalogue. ;D
But, yes, I've seen some of the other work of the Horncastle chap, and it's such a shame that he's decided to take this route - but I suppose if you're an independent glassblower in a market constantly calling for the cheapest glass rather than the most well-made or original glass then it can be hard to ignore the call of this avenue where you're guaranteed very regular sales.
And it should be noted that whilst morally and/or artistically dubious, it's not illegal as he's producing copyright-lapsed designs in non-WF colours and is not trying to pass them off as originals. What others subsequently do with his output is where the legal grey area lies.
And also, it should be emphatically noted, Whitefriars themselves produced a lot of copied glass in the 'Glasses With Histories' series.