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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: BRADBURY7308 on April 17, 2009, 10:20:02 PM
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Nice sea blue/green vase purchased from local charity shop today 6"3/4"h x 5"1/4w any ideas if its whitefriars i think it may be an angular vase by whitefriars.
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Looks like an 'Angular' vase (RSW10) designed by Ronald Stennett Willson for King's Lynn in 1967. But it's not really my field, so I might be wrong.
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Ronald Stennett Willson for Lemington Glass I think.
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The earlier Lemington vases, of which I have one, are much more substantial:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,22930.msg129407.html#msg129407
Also, they have cut/polished rims.
Unless they made them in smaller sizes? I'm not overly familiar with Lemington glass, I have to admit.
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Thankyou for the help i think im looking at a ronald stennett-willson piece after all thankyou .... :thup:
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No idea Nic, my only reference is a Lemington advert showing a side view of this shape.
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As well as Lemington they were also made by Wedgwood/Kings Lynn - when I posted mine a couple of years back I attempted to try and ascertain the differences between them but was asked 'does it really matter?' by another member so didn't pursue it - however I would still be interested to know if there's a way of telling.
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Chris, who posted in my RSW floorvase thread, has a website currently in development - possibly he would know?
http://ronaldstennettwillson.com/index.html
I've been fobbed off once or twice with the "Why does it matter?" response in the past - I tend to just ignore them as knowing ostensibly pointless specifics often leads to finding unusual and rare anomalies within production glass ranges. For example, because of my insane persistence with figuring out Holmegaard signatures I can now spot their exhibition items and one-off commission pieces at a glance, occasionally pottering about on eBay for the same price - or less - as standard production items, even though their actual identified value can be up to ten times greater.
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This looks like an 'Angular Vase' designed by Ronald Stennett-Willson,given a code number RSW10,and made by Lemington Glass,Kings Lynn Glass or Wedgwood Glass.These were made in several colours,including a light or dark cranberry,clear(flint),shades of amethyst,blue,speckled blue(rustic),lilac and more.Some will have a Wedgwood etched mark(with or without the Portland Vase),although some do not!.They usually have a smooth,round pontil mark,although I do have one example with a flat smooth base.
Chris
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Hi Chris, both mine and Nic's (attributed) Lemingtons had ground flat rims - the one at the top of this thread has a fire-polished rim - do you know if this might be a feature of the Wedgwood/Kings Lynn production?
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Hi, all of my angular vases have polished rims,although I have seen examples with a gound rim,including the larger,earlier Lemington Floor vases which I understand were the inspiration for these smaller angulars(around 6 1/2" tall).The bases do vary on mine,most have a smooth polished pontil mark,however I have two examples with a rather unfinished pontil that is still quite rough,as if it has been just partly finished,these two do not have any etched marks.The one I have with a smooth flat base,in a deep cranberry and is also unmarked(and is much heavier than my others,could be possibly due to the colouring perhaps,as it looks to be no thicker?).As far as I can tell,the rim finish and pontil finishing is not indicative of any particular factory,but the floor vases,which were thinner walled, were only produced at the Lemington glass works.
As any catalogues are hard to find,I find that it is very difficult to determine which factory produced which RSW pieces,of course some do have etched marks or labels,but many do not,and personally I do not believe this is a reliable way to decide on which factory produced it,it is often stated on ebay that unmarked pieces are from the Kings Lynn works,but I do not think this is always the case!.
Chris.
PS.I really hope to get our website finished sooner than later,hopefully we will be able to provide an almost comprehensive list of RSW pieces,which should help with ID.(www.ronaldstennettwillson.com)
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I have one these in the Lynn / Wedgwood navy blue - it's unmarked but I'm confident it's Lynn / Wedgwood based on the colour (an exact match for the Wedgwood candleholders I have) and the way the pontil is ground (exactly like a cranberry Wedgwood cylinder vase with early label). The size of the pontil mark is much smaller than the one shown in the original post thou'. I can't remember why but I always thought that the Lemington ones were a slightly different shape? With the shoulders less steep and more curved than the Lynn / Wedgwood ones.
If you look at the two pictured side by side on Chris's excellent site:
http://ronaldstennettwillson.com/Vases%20Angular.html
I'd suspect the left hand one is Lemington (digging a hole for myself here...). The colour also looks the same as the yellow from the Lemington harlequin glass sets.
Just to muddy the waters further, I stumbled across this today. The seller gives a seemingly cast iron reference (the catalogue mentioned was written by Helmut Ricke) >:D
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370177469487
robbo
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I've added my two advert pics into GlassGallery - these were sent to me a while ago and I can't remember by whom (2 people I think) so thank you to whoever it was and I'm sorry I can't remember who :-[ blame old age or something!
Anyhow, here they are and interestingly although both Lemington adverts they appear to show both versions of the vase shown on Chris' site :-\ so was one earlier than the other and changed for technical or aesthetic reasons?
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-11594
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-11595