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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: glasseyed on May 05, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
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http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/2ptwfoTEBOKKnD154iJJ0g?authkey=Gv1sRgCKShyPW1i-WlmgE&feat=directlink
Hi
I've had this vase for around five years and have not found any information on maker or age. Any ideas out there?
Regards
Hazel
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Hi there,
Would it be possible to see images of the top edge at the mouth of the vase, and also the underside? If no images, is the mouth fired or ground. Underside... pontil, cased with clear, ground? What about age wear?.. Or do you have any idea of age? What is the size of the piece? Pictures would be great..... It is a nice looking piece of glass...... Strikes me as Czech, but I'll reserve the opinion pending additional images or information.
Craig
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Hi Craig
Thanks for the reply, I have added some more pictures - plus a couple of bonus items just for fun :thup:
The pontil is ground, the base shows genuine wear and on close inspection it does appear to be cased (never noticed it before).
Regards
Hazel
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/EnglishPorcelain/Glass20th?authkey=Gv1sRgCKShyPW1i-WlmgE&feat=directlink
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Hi Hazel, What are the dimensions of the piece?
It strikes me as a piece of Kralik, although I have not seen the decor before. I am emailing a couple of the pics to a friend to get his take on it and see if he agrees with me. The other pieces you put up there are quite lovely, especially the short one....... Any marks on those? Attributions ? Do you collect Czech glass?
I'll let you know when I get a reply to my email.
Craig
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Hi Craig
The dimensions are 18cm high by 22cm across.
Do I collect Czech glass is a tricky question. I have a number of Czech items in my collection and I love the quality of many Czech pieces but I am an eclectic collector with a butterfly mind and buy things that take my fancy.
Do you think the pretty bulbous vase is Loetz? Unfortunately it is not in good condition (held together with glass glue) but it displays well as you can see.
Thanks for the help.
Hazel
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looks like Kralik - definitely no Loetz.
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Hi Hazel,
My friend agrees with me that the originally posted piece is most probably a Kralik piece. It is really quite nice..... would look fabulous at my house ;D. The smaller piece with silver overlay is leaning me towards Kralik also.... Will confirm that one too. The glass itself seems a touch Loetz Papillon like, more than Kralik examples I have seen, but the shape leads me strongly back the other way towards Kralik.
It is also not easy sometimes with images and not seeing the glass live, but the color does not seem quite right for an example of Loetz Papillon either.
Craig
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Hi Hazel,
I have been informed by those much wiser than I, that the short, and unfortunately broken vase, (I am going to sob uncontrollably now :cry:), is a classic Loetz shape..... I am glad I have friends much wiser than I am in this field...... I have been studying glass for many years, and no matter how much I think I have learned.... I am reminded constantly that I am really an amateur....... a fairly good one at times, an advanced collector of sorts..... but an amateur none the less......... ::)
Craig
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I am an eclectic collector with a butterfly mind and buy things that take my fancy.
By the way, I am in Seattle WA USA and I love the way you Brits talk!!! Makes much of what we say over here across the pond seem so dull and uneventful !! I too "am an eclectic collector with a butterfly mind and buy things that take my fancy", but I just would have just said that "I buy unusual pieces that I find interesting".... Your way of putting it makes it seem like so much more fun!!!
Craig
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Hi Craig
Those of us with butterfly minds learn less about more, sometimes this works for us and sometimes against - best to be philosophical about it. We alight on a topic, flirt with it briefly and move on, flitting back briefly now and then to research some more.
Do not be too sad about the vase, because of the damage I paid a very small price and now can keep it and love it with a clear conscience.
I had never considered Kralik as a possiblity for the original vase so I must go and do some more research, any tips on where to look.
Regards
Hazel
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Hi Hazel,
I am lucky in that I can be at times, according to Peggy, a little obsessive and will stop wandering for a bit. I am an internet research junkie. I also love reference books. I study early Bohemian (1890-1930 my biggest love), Mid Century Italian (1925-1970), Scandinavian and Mid Century Czech. I also study Steuben and have an interest in Dugan and have a few pieces of both also.
I am glad you got the Loetz piece inexpensively, and it sounds like it was damaged when you purchased it..... I dropped a nice piece of glass coming in my front door once, many years ago, and years later it still bothers me. Makes me feel like I accidentally killed a friend.
For Kralik information you can go to www.Loetz.com and there is a section on it there. My friend Alfredo who authored that article, also has his own site at http://sites.google.com/site/loetzandglass/Home. There is quite a bit of Kralik information there. He is doing groundbreaking research on glass of that period and region. He is starting a project where he has been cataloging marked Kralik decors. He is also doing some fascinating work on inkwell identification. There is not really anything I can point to that would help to directly identify the piece you have, but after looking at Kralik pieces for years, I just felt it was, and Alfredo agreed. They have some very unusual and striking clear cased decors. Unfortunately a large percentage of early Kralik glass is marketed as Loetz. They really made some stunning pieces. As more is learned of the company and their glass output, it is amazing the variety and decors they had.
As far as the original vase goes, I have seen hundreds of images of Kralik vases over the years, many of them being marketed as unidentified but bearing their distinctive acid stamps for Czechoslovakia on the underside. Although the type of decor you have is not really documented well, it has an unmistakable Kralik look to it..... I would have to say it is one of the nicest pieces (as far as my taste goes) of Kralik I have seen in a long time. I love the Jugendstil period glass, but the Deco era piece you have is quite stunning, both the decor and the shape. Most of Al's work is focused on Jugendstil glass, as he does not collect the Deco era pieces.
I have also asked Alfredo about the Clear satin piece you posted an image of, as it does not really ring a bell with me, although it appears it could be an early piece of Glatt with overlay. On this one I am deferring entirely to him. I will let you know.
If you want to read a fun story I posted go here....
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,25818.msg142703.html#msg142703
It involves a Loetz find!!
Craig
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Hi Craig
I see our interests overlap, but where you have Stuben and Dugan I have Whitefriars and Ysart (plus various other English makers).
I need to make a major effort to try and identify a few more of my "not sure" catagory - I read your story about your great find and very much enjoyed it - nothing ventured, nothing gained. Also the links were good, I had visited the loetz.com site before but not Alfredo's site which is very interesting - and has further good links on it.
I'm glad I can now say Kralik when visitors ask what the vase is - it tends to grab the eye because the colours are so rich. The satin vase is stunning in normal light showing pink iridescent highlights - impossible to photograph - any information gratefully received.
Regards
Hazel
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Hazel,
I heard from Alfredo, and he is as stumped on the satin one as I am. If I come up with any thoughts I will let you know. Alfredo's website is great, and much of the work he is doing is groundbreaking. As far as the original piece goes, the colors are fabulous, and the rich combination of them combined with the execution style is really signature Kralik for that period. The shape is one I have not seen before. I now have a piece of Kralik I need to look for..... I have about a dozen quite varied pieces by them, but one like yours would be a great addition.
If you have any other pieces you are going to post, let me know. You should be able to access my email through the message board here.
Craig
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Hi Craig
Thanks for your efforts with Alfredo. If I ever think of selling the Kralik vase I'll be sure to let you know.
I have posted another item for review.
Regards
Hazel