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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Andy on May 24, 2009, 04:38:43 PM
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Pretty sure Kralik is best bet, ( i dont think its an english one)
9cm tall, 12 cm wide.
Does one agree?
Andy
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Andy, I sent a couple of your images to Alfredo for his opinion. It actually doesn't strike me as their work. The form and use of opalescence that way is a little off to me. IMHO
I'll let you know what he says.....
Craig
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Thanks Craig ;D
Andy
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Andy, The piece strikes me as English, especially the way in which the opalescence is used in the body of the vase and also in the style of the applied leaves.
Alfredo took a look at it and his feeling also is that it is English.
Craig
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Craig,
thanks very much for yours and alfredos opinion :thup:
Uh, could i ask a moderator to maybe change the header to something like,
Kralik?? Iridescent vase, or maybe English c1900
Thanks
Andy
:-*
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If English, could Stevens & Williams be one of the most likely candidates??
Cheers
Andy
:D
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I wouldn't rule out a. n. other Bohemian company personally
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A bump up from a year ago,
vase with applied leaves,
any more ideas on the English idea as an origin ??
Cheers
Andy
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I wouldn't rule out a. n. other Bohemian company personally
Mould blown, ground rim, iridescence; has a lot in common with the pearly Bohemian rose bowls.
Is the green uranium?
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No uranium Christine
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I'd stick with Kralik,the flat cut top,pearl iridescence all say Kralik to me,
Keith.
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Well, interesting, Alfredo and Craig think English, so im forced to sit on the fence with this one ::)
Anyone else take the English side ? :-\ :-\ :-\
(oh no , im beginning to sound like someone else :24: :pb: )
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Craig and Alfredo know their stuff and I'm quite new to this type of glass but it has that 'Kralik feel',as much as I like S&W and other 'local' glass I'm going to stick with Kralik or a nearby maker,watch me get shot down!
Keith.
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Harrach? They seemed to like these folded up leaves
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Craig and Alfredo know their stuff
Thats what i was thinking Keith ::)
Thanks Christine , another possibility, id like Mike or Bernard to have a look on the English perspective .
Andy
:D
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Hi Keith, I will not be so rude as to "shoot you down". :thup:
The comment that I would make regarding the piece is that although the piece has some light ribbing, applied leaves, and is mold blown and ground on the lip, reminiscent of some Kralik work (and also many others including English).... the primary thing that leads me in a different direction is the use of graduated opalescence in the body of the vase. They also did leaves, just not quite this folded, at least that I have seen. Typically, the Kralik work using opalescence in the piece will have a pretty consistent opalescence throughout the body of the vessel. That is not to say that it is always a real milky opalescence, just that the color is consistent. I have an early vase in my collection which is by them, and it has a light opalescent body similar to the upper portion of this piece, but it is basically the same at the top and bottom of the body. I can not think of having seen a Kralik piece with this type of graduation. My guess is that would also be what Alfredo sees in the piece.
Lastly I would say that almost all of the work on identifying Kralik (and others) is based on empirical study since no accessible records exist for the company. Marcus did point out that here is material sealed in archives by the Czech Republic and will not be accessible until around 2090. As a result of the empirical study, the discovery of a single piece of marked or identifiable glass could change many of the currently accepted concepts regarding Kralik.
Personally, I am sticking with possibly English for this piece...... but I would not rule out another Bohemian company either.... Just not Loetz, Kralik Pallme-Koenig or Rindskopf.....
Craig
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Thanks Craig,
i will put a note in my diary to bump it up again in 2090 ;D
Im not sure of the graduated opalescence ? It may appear a bit less where the glass is blown to its widest,
also the irridescent coating seems to be less where the glass is more stretched.
A couple of photos, without flash,
Andy
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See what you mean Craig,although there are similarities there are also differences,Christine mentioned Harrach they did similar stuff but then again there are 'themes' to Harrach that you find in UK glass,bit of a puzzle this one,if only it had a signature but that would be to easy,
Keith.
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Keith,
It is my understanding that there are some of those similarities between Czech glass and English glass due to the migration of workers between factories and countries.... Just as there are similarities between some early English and American glass like S&W and Steuben, due to worker (designer) migration (Carder, and others).
If it was all signed we would not all be friends, as there would be no need for this board..... and we would likely be doing something far less fun!!
Craig
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If it was all signed we would not all be friends, as there would be no need for this board..... and we would likely be doing something far less fun!!
The Board would still be full of fascinating discussion. We would surely all be comparing our wonderful, correctly attributed items, but also asking about such things as date of manufacture, uniqueness of methods used, colour ranges, variations on the themes, etc. etc. etc. In fact, ID is only one part of the function of the Board - even if it has currently developed into the most widely used aspect. ;D
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Thanks,
As on many previous occasions, I stand rightfully corrected..... ;D
Craig
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Having just popped the cornucopia vase on the board, it reminded me of this little vase, the opinion
that this was more likely English than Bohemian, was what made me think the Cornucopia vase may be English
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,47788.msg268956.html#msg268956
I'd forgotten that there was such a long discussion on the vase, I'd forgotten that Craig even sent photos to Alfredo. Its been a couple more years , time flies, and more and more is learnt all the time, i just wondered if
any opinons had changed or anything new had come to light , I've had a good look through Craig's lovely
Kralik.com , great job !! ( just identified a Loetz Phanomen piece ! )
can't really find anything , so far , on either piece, but had an enjoyable trail through the Bohemian websites :D
Just wondered if anyone had any new ideas ??
Cheers and Regards to all,
Andy
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I think the vase is Bohemian :-[
I'm not sure about the Cornucopia but I'd go for Bohemian on that one as well. I haven't time at the moment but when I get a mo, I'll trawl through the Kralik pieces in Truitts and see if I can spot similar.
m
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the cornucopia - the finish on the edge of the frill looks like my Kralik mother of pearl vase. So perhaps it might be worth looking at Kralik as a start?
m