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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: obscurities on June 01, 2009, 05:39:21 PM
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Seen at a local auction house preview. Does anyone recognize this vase?
Thanks, Craig
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Would you care to state which local auction Craig? :)
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Hi Max,
The auction house is local to me, but the auction is two states away in Montana, and it is about 12000 miles from you..... ::) It is actually one I will be "working" at to help them out...... They got a hold of me because of the tons of glass that is there..... I ran an auction for them for around 3 years.... and I will "possibly" be doing a bit of bidding while I am there "working" ;D :hiclp: I am quite upset that I will be paid actual money to be there while I shop.... :cry:
There are pieces of Kralik, Loetz, Steuben, Tiffany, Quezal, Daum, Schneider, Moser, Stevens & Williams, some very early Venetian pieces, and some other glass I have not seen yet... A bunch of Victorian era, and Carnival glass also. There is also some other non glass stuff they want me to help identify for them that they are having trouble with........ That will be part of my "job".....
The auction is two states (1000 miles) away from me, and they are paying to get me there and also to house and feed me....
Funny thing is, that I was trying to figure out how to go to it without spending hundreds of dollars on gas and motels and food, just to go buy some stuff..... and then the email came inviting me, and offering me money to come..... :o
Hopefully I can buy some nice stuff reasonably enough to make some money, and also pay for a couple of good keepers for me... Like the vase above.....
I recognize the piece pictured above as I have seen it before, but can not place it at the moment..... but I like it.....
Craig
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I wasn't asking where the auction was so that I could go and bid on this item. :(
It was because in the past, we had been asking people to give the location details of auctions if they were asking for an ID from a preview. This was to give a level playing field to everyone on the GMB. I couldn't find the appropriate board information on that subject, so perhaps it was only something we did on a courtesy basis.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-9874 From B&M's Gallery in GlassGallery
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Barolac I think - and related to this salver.
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Max, I didn't think you were...... I was having some fun with you.... The auction is going to take place in Great Falls Montana by Pacific Galleries..... a very unlikely place for all of this stuff to be at..... kind of in the middle of nowhere.... I'll look at the link... If Barolac, maybe Jindrich will find this.....
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Sure looks like the same pattern... Did Barolac do smoked like that?.... I really don't see much glass by them in the area I am in. I have a couple pieces of theirs that I only recently discovered was theirs.... because of this board....
Thanks, Craig
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I must be seeing wrong. The auction house vase looks like it has irises, while the Barolac piece looks like tulips. The quality, as well as the finish, does not look the same to me. The auction house vase reminds me of some of the nicer French pieces, but I have no idea what it might be.
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Craig, I followed the Barolac lead and found this photo in a GMB B&M/Barolac album.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-9874
I'm not sure whose album it is. Maybe someone else can find the username.
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That's the same vase I linked to. ;) :)
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That's the same vase I linked to. ;) :)
I missed your link, Max, in the discussion about the auction house. :-[ Seeing it made the rest of the thread make sense. I thought I was just lost -- well, more lost than usual.
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The Iris piece 11283 is definitely the same vase is a different color glass...... It is definitely a Barolac piece.....
Tulips... Iris's... .. I guess I need a flower identification board also...... I thought they were Tulips also.....
Thanks again..... You guys are great!! :thup: :thup:
Craig
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;) It's ok Anita, it's not that often I can add to expertise here and I like to be noticed when I can! lol :24: ;) :thup:
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Hi,
Barolac is a mark, which, apparently, was jointly used, and owned, by Josef Inwald and John Jenkins & Sons Ltd. All this information is available in Marcus Newhall's book, in collaboration with Glen Thistlewood, who have worked very hard to enlighten us about this area of Czech glass making.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-9874 This image comes from Steve Bateman's album, himself a highly respected and knowledgeable collector with many years of experience with Barolac glass.
Della
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Hi Della
which book are u talking about please...perhaps i have missed something-----a new book`?
thanks
Norman
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Hi Norman,
You have the book ;D See blue box-out on page 53.
Della
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ok thanks...just dont have good a memory...but have read it now again...smile.
best
norman
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Hello again!!
Can anyone give me the years that this mold was used?
TIA, Craig
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Hi,
"Barolac" as correctly Della said is not company but trade mark of special type of pressed glass production - always opalescent. It had been produced befor WWII in Czechoslovakia, later moulds had been used in Sklo Union factories. This is not "Barolac" piece but piece produced with ussage of same or simmilar mould. Colour does not correspond to Czechoslovakian production, as far as I know. Let we wait for Marcus' decision.
Jindrich
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Barolac was not "always opalescent".
Glen
EDITED TO ADD:
I thought you might also like to see the original drawing for the design.
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Well Glen,
I browsed my resources (mostly Czech) and I have found that "Barolac" issue is in fact only English issue.
I have browsed our trade make registers and "Barolac" trade mark had not been registered in Czechoslovakia. The biggest Czech glass history monography from 2005 (3 volumes in Czech language together about 2500 pages) does not mention "Barolac" at all, also Czech web gives no answer for key "Barolac", pages focused to Inwald also does not mention it.
Based on http://www.glassencyclopedia.com/Barolacglass.html I believe, that the name "Barolac" was used only for commercial purposes in UK with co-operation with Jenkins. It would be nice to discover if the trade mark "Barolac" was registered in UK, but I do not know how to acces UK trade mark register.
From here it looks that nothing like "Barolac" mould range has existed - "Sea world" range for example has been produced in opalescent form and exported as "Barolac" abroad - but in Czech language resources it is named only "Sea world". The categorisation given by Markus in Sklo Union book (www.sklounion.com) "Classic", "New" or "Modern" has no simmilar equivalent in Czech language - it was probably Glassexport marketing designation for foreigner markets.
My conclusion:
What is actually "Barolac"?
The commercial name used for distribution several Inwald's pieces in UK, not the name of exactly given fabrication range.
Jindrich
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It's not in the UK or US trademark databases
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There is no simple and easy answer to this puzzle.
"Barolac" was a range of glass made by Inwald for the UK firm, John Jenkins & Sons. Catalogues are known bearing the title "Barolac".
Glen
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The pieces from the same moulds (???) were produced in Libochovice in poor quality still about ten years ago. Now when moulds are sold it can happen that we will see the "newest Barolac", I am afraid.
Glen have you please some catalogues that would help us to identify designers and patterns that we should put tho the "Barolac" range?
Jindrich
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Hi Jindra,
At least some of the recent Libochovice production was, in my opinion, not from original Barolac moulds. I had a Libs seahorse vase, pattern was the same but the elements were differently proportioned, the fish in lower relief and importantly the mould seams did not follow the original wavy line of the seaweed as per early vases, but instead were dead straight.
The name Barolac was also used by US importers Weil, not sure of the date but post war & I'd guess 60s. confusingly, however, they seem to have labelled a wide range of Czech pieces, including old Hoffmann & Schlevogt patterns as Barolac. Weil impoted pieces usually carry a distinctive black on gold foil label reading 'Barolac made in Czechoslovakia, Weil, exclusive importation'.
Steven
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From Glass Study:
US Trade name data 1951
Barbolac — Nelson Bead Co., New York. N. Y. {Glass-Study.com: possible misprint for Barolac}
Barorac, Czechoslovakian giftware — Nelson Bead Co., Inc., New York, N.Y. {Glass-Study.com: possible misprint for Barolac}
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We've had a huge amount of discussion about this topic in the past. One pertinent thread is here where Jo from Australia posted a Barolac/Weil catalogue extract for us. Sadly the image is no longer there, but I think I have filed it somewhere.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2674.0.html
Jindrich, I think the Barolac catalogue is in the public domain already (PK).
Glen
EDITED TO ADD:
Here's an image of a Barolac Weil label on a Lalique perfume bottle website
http://www.laliqueperfumebottles.com/apps/photos/photo.jsp?photoID=7293313
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Actually, I left out a very important word when I wrote this above:
"Barolac" was a range of glass made by Inwald for the UK firm, John Jenkins & Sons. Catalogues are known bearing the title "Barolac".
I meant to include the word "originally".....i.e. "Barolac" was originally a range of glass made by Inwald for the UK firm, John Jenkins & Sons. Catalogues are known bearing the title "Barolac".
GT
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Here I am again (like London buses, you don't see me for weeks then suddenly LOADS!)
Here is the catalogue page Jo from Australian posted on the GMB some years ago. The tinypic has vanished, but she did let me have the image again and I saved it. As it was posted on the GMB back then, I am sure it is the right thing to do to show it here again.
G
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Some of Marcus' Barolac catalogue images are also in GlassGallery for reference. http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=701
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Thank you very much Anne,
I use Marcus Newhall's Sklo Union database (www.sklounion.com) engine so efficiently and often, that I have forgotten that at CD are also attached pdf files with catalogues :cry:
Jindrich