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Title: Triple Sommerso Vase - ID Help Needed - Czech?
Post by: obscurities on July 21, 2009, 11:25:22 PM
I just got this in the mail today. An ebay purchase.

It was sold as a Murano piece with really bad pics. It looked in the images to be quite short and fat. I actually thought it may have been a cut down piece of glass, but it was so cheap I decided to roll the dice. The color scheme appeared to match a family of vases and bowls we have been collecting.

In looking at it now that I have it, it actually strikes me as more of an Exbor style piece, especially with the way the internal cranberry comes to a sharp point. You could not see that in the images on line, and that reminds me of some Exbor pieces attributed to Paval Hlava. The internal color is not really "Murano like". The only thing that bothers me about it possibly being Czech is the vibrant vaseline, which almost glows without a black light.  I can not remember seeing too many mid century Czech pieces with this type of vaseline in it. The 4 "wings" are clear glass pulled from the body of the vase, which when viewed from the top can be seen to have a clear outer layer.

It also has a pontil, with substantial age wear around the edge of the base which is flat. The pontil is slightly dished, but is definitely there.

It stands 7 inches in height, and is 3.25 inches across one set of "wings" and 2.75 across the other pair.

I took a gamble, as it was only $10 with shipping, and it is a really outstanding and expertly executed piece of glass.....  It looks nothing like the pictures made it appear on line.....

I am very interested in thoughts on this piece...  
Title: Re: Triple Sommerso Vase - ID Help Needed - Czech?
Post by: langhaugh on July 22, 2009, 06:46:02 AM
Craig:

Looks like a worthwhile gamble to me. The colour combination looks like it could be Exbor, although isn't their red a little lighter? I'm less sure about the shape, and doesn't Exbor usually have an acid stamp?

David

Title: Re: Triple Sommerso Vase - ID Help Needed - Czech?
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 22, 2009, 11:08:49 AM
I would go with Czech. I'm confident there are Czech pieces with uranium glass layers. I have two that don't feel Murano to me and Anne EB also a piece. None like this but all hot worked glass
Title: Re: Triple Sommerso Vase - ID Help Needed - Czech?
Post by: Andy on July 22, 2009, 11:33:10 AM
$10 !  :mrgreen:

Nice vase.
Maybe Exbor, i have a piece of unsigned Exbor, so not all are marked.

Cheers
Andy
Title: Re: Triple Sommerso Vase - ID Help Needed - Czech?
Post by: Sklounion on July 22, 2009, 11:44:51 AM
Hi,
This does not buzz Exbor at all. Sorry. This is however very reminiscent of one of the Murano glass works, name escapes me, but they used a Moor's Head emblem on their labels.
M
Title: Re: Triple Sommerso Vase - ID Help Needed - Czech?
Post by: obscurities on July 22, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
Marcus....

No need to apologize   :), I bought it as Italian, and if it ends up being that it is OK....  It just strikes me as quite an usual piece for Italian......  The fins on the sides are quite similar in style to a pair of early 60's opalescent blue Murano vases I have.....  Except they have two and not four....

David.....
The center color is actually a Rose of Cranberry color, and not the deeper shade of red it appears to be here.....

Anita.....
Whose label used a Boars head???  Also, have you seen this type of inner chamber with a point like this in Italian work?
Title: Re: Triple Sommerso Vase - ID Help Needed - Czech?
Post by: langhaugh on July 22, 2009, 02:47:29 PM
Craig:

Galliano Ferro had a Moor's Head on their label. They did sommerso, but this doesn't seem like their work to me. The lighter red suggests Exbor more, although the reply from Marcus makes me hesitant.

David
Title: Re: Triple Sommerso Vase - ID Help Needed - Czech?
Post by: obscurities on July 22, 2009, 02:55:27 PM
I meant Moors head and not Boars head....  Not enough morning espresso yet...

Certain aspects strike me as Czech, while others definitely strike me as Italian...

It is a very interesting piece... Maybe it is CzechoItalian   or it could be Italioslovakian

:thup:

Title: Re: Triple Sommerso Vase - ID Help Needed - Czech?
Post by: Sklounion on July 22, 2009, 04:23:19 PM
Thanks David, for the company's name.
I had a vase similar many years ago, which had Ferro's label, with these flanges. 
With a large quantity of CZ research materials, nothing like this has turned up with an Exbor attribution.
Certainly a lot of late (and very late) Exbor production is not marked, there are some seconds marked as such, without the full stamp, and not all earlier items carry the full acid stamp.
Over to you, Jindrich, if you have more info?

M
Title: Re: Triple Sommerso Vase - ID Help Needed - Czech?
Post by: obscurities on July 22, 2009, 04:48:49 PM
Here is an additional picture of the vase. I just realized in looking at the images that the first and second images are basically the same and do not really show the interior of the vase well.