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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Philg on August 03, 2009, 09:33:19 AM
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Hello, my first post on this site, I'll apologise early for any mistakes. 6 1/4" Amber? and 5 3/4 Green vases, Amber is very heavy 1520 grams, Green 831g.
(http://i28.tinypic.com/ac4rp5.jpg)
Thanks Philg.
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Hi there
can you pop on a picture of the bases thanks
michelle
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Hi Michelle, thanks for replying, does this help?
(http://i30.tinypic.com/1znv5oo.jpg)
Philg.
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Thats great thanks. To me the look like they may be czech possibly Beranek (jan or emanuel?). Hopefully Jindrich, marcus or one of the others who are miles more knowledgeable than me will be able to confirm if im right or not
all the best
michelle
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I also think they are Czech, but am no expert in this field. Emmi
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The amber vase looks similar to the one designed by Jan Beranek. I tried to link directly to the vase in Beranek's catalog, but it didn't work right. You can reach the Beranek catalog at http://www.beranekglass.com/ by clicking the catalog link and then the vases link. There is an amber vase on the bottom row of page 6 of the vases that looks much like your amber.
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Are the two vases cased in clear glass? The vases in the Beranek catalogue have a substantial amount of clear on them, whereas these two look almost one solid colour. They may be older versions of the same vase. In other words, I think they're Beranek from Skrdlovice but I'm not sure of the date. As Mark Hill observes (p. 29, Hi Sklo Lo Sklo), this type of glass was very popular on the export market and was made for a long time, including the present.
David
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Thanks all for the help with this, both very thinly cased, it takes a bit of looking to tell, base on green slightly concaved, amber is flat. The green has four distinct impressions like thumb makes around the bottom and a single press above, close to the same pattern repeated four times.
With the amber, if you cam imaging a round piece of clay being pushed up with the left thumb slightly and then harder as you get toward the top thats the pattern. (now I have read that, not sure I know what I mean :-[). The whitefriars knobbly vases were shaped with an "S" tool this vase looks like a single implement used to push up the glass.
Phil.
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I like Czech glass and knobbly Berenek vases especially but I am not sure about these. It is not that they look totally wrong, the bases are consistent with some Czech style polished bases- they are hot worked designs similar to those often seen on some Czech work, but the colours are not exactly what I might expect from the vases I have seen so far, it could just be a trick of the light perhaps other photos may help...... Also the exact style plus height combination for Czech vases I have not personally seen before.
I am a bit surprised that some more experienced Czech members have missed this post. The post does not contain the word Czech? that may be an issue. Or the vases look tricky regarding exact attribution! I am not being much help I'm afraid, I would not be certain to attribute any origin myself, though they do look Czech as others have rightly said. They are really intruiging in being very near what I would expect to be Czech vases but I have not seen these before, as you may know some of the pieces are not well catalogued by collectors. You never know, hopefully some further posts will help, I am virtually saying I have no idea but they are intruiging vases! I hope something comes through, Czech or otherwise! Good luck,
bOBA
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Phil:
Another possibility comes to mind. I wonder if it's possible than another Czech glassworks produced these. The amber colour is very close to a Bor vase I have by Pavel Hlava, which is also mould blown, hot-worked, and thinly cased in places. The technique for making these (which you describe well) is not hard (according to Jindrich), so another factory could have made them. This seems more likely than the modern Beranek attribution.
David
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I think you are right, David. The amber vase is similar to one made by Beranek, but it doesn't look exactly like the one in the catalog. The green vase doesn't look like Beranek to me at all.
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Hi friends,
the first look gives the Czech impression, but...
Well, recent Beranek 1993 - 2008 it is not.
The Skrdlovice from 1960 - 1992 it is not.
Colour does not correspond (mainly bright green) to Skrdlovice period 1940 - 1959, but shape looks like Emanuel or Jan Beranek design.
So I would eliminate Skrdlovice from list of candidates.
Next "free hand fabrication" possibility is Chribska in Czechoslovakia (later in Czech rep. Egermann s.r.o. and Rubin), but shapes developed by Hospodka and followers are very different from given pictures. Next is ZBS - shape and colours - I say no. Persists MstiĊĦov 50ties and beginning of 60ties as possible fabricator.
Also i spossible, that pieces are not Czech at all.
Jindrich