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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: Leni on October 12, 2005, 12:27:06 PM
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I decided to take a good look at the cabinet full of glass left by my great aunt, which I have not examined (or dusted :oops: ) for a long time. I thought it would be a good idea to photograph it, as I have no idea what most of it is. It's old stemware, of which I have no knowledge and, I am sorry to say, little interest :oops: :roll:
After a marathon session, I have taken pics of most of it, and I wondered if there is anybody here who is interested and knowledgeable in this area.
I don't want to bore people rigid - well, it's quite boring to me :roll: - so I'll post a couple and see if everyone ignores it. If so, I won't bother you with the rest :lol:
Some of them are singles and some twos, fours, or sixes. I have to say I have no idea how old any of them are, although I know for a fact none are less than 50 years old. I would be interested in knowing the age, if anyone can hazard a guess, and maybe where they were made if it is at all possible to tell.
Anyway, here's a couple to be going on with: http://tinypic.com/eili74.jpg http://tinypic.com/eili8o.jpg set of six of these
http://tinypic.com/eim2is.jpg http://tinypic.com/eim2jo.jpg only two of these
Any 'takers'?
Leni
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I find stemware interesting Leni, so please do post them. :) What is easier to identify them though is, rather than the looking down on the glass in the view you have, to have a side on view as that way the shape of the glass, the stem, any knop, the bowl shape and the foot shape are all clearly visible. It's not at all easy to see all thse details from your photos. Hope this might help in getting them ID'd for you. :)
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I find stemware interesting Leni, so please do post them. :)
Great! :D Thanks, Anne!
What is easier to identify them though is, rather than the looking down on the glass in the view you have, to have a side on view as that way the shape of the glass, the stem, any knop, the bowl shape and the foot shape are all clearly visible.
:x :x :( :( So I have to get them all out and photgraph them again? :shock: :(
OK here goes :roll:
I've done a few together. If you would like to see more / larger / separate pics, please let me know :roll: And seriously, thanks again :wink:
These are the first two I posted : http://tinypic.com/eimplk.jpg
and here are a few more : http://tinypic.com/eimpn7.jpg
Anything you can tell me I would be most grateful to hear :D
Leni
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Much better pictures, thanks Leni. We can see them now! :D
http://tinypic.com/eimpn7.jpg the one on the far left - does this have a pattern of cut circles interspersing cut verticals or is it all narrow cuts? The shape is very much like several patterns made by Webb Corbett, so that may be a place to start looking.
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Thanks, Anne. The far left one has simple oval cuts. I think you can see them more clearly in this picture of the foot. http://tinypic.com/ej8qpv.jpg
I'll have a look at Webb Corbett, as you suggest :D
Leni
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I would look at Stuart Glass for some of the others.
If you don't have the Replacements book, then go to their site and find Stuart. Click on the show pictures tab on the left side and scroll through the thumbnails.
I would look in my book but I am on my way out of town for work again.
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Leni
Have a good look at the base of your stems, most Web Corbett or Stuart are marked in the centre or on the edge, also Webb, Harbridge and Tudor
also Richardson
Tony H in NZ
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Have a good look at the base of your stems
What sort of marks are we talking about? How were blown glasses marked by the makers 50 - 100 years ago? When did the acid etching we see on modern glasses come in? :?
Sadly, I can see no marks at all on any of them, Tony :(
Leni
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Leni
I have a book The Arthur Negus Guide to British Glass which is full of tips on what to look for and identify stem ware.
One of the tips in it is and I quote
During the early years of the nineteenth century a characteristic mark found on the underside on the glass is a Y or T impressed into a flat foot with no sign of a pontil mark. This was caused by a springloaded instrument called a "gadget"
Don't know if this helps or not but buying this book awoke my interest in old glasses so carry on asking and somewhere someone will give us the answers.
Doris
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Leni, my mother's Thomas Webb Normandy wine glasses are not marked in any way.
All the Stuart pieces I've seen and have are marked* - my Stuart hand-decorated grapefruits which were registered in 1921 have an etched RD no and Stuart mark, I don't know when etched marks started though.
Edited to add: * Not now they aren't!
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Leni
I have a book The Arthur Negus Guide to British Glass which is full of tips on what to look for and identify stem ware.
During the early years of the nineteenth century a characteristic mark found on the underside on the glass is a Y or T impressed into a flat foot with no sign of a pontil mark. This was caused by a springloaded instrument called a "gadget"
Doris
Crumbs, I have to disagree with Arthur Negus! :shock: :shock: I've just read about gadgets you see...
The apparent letters K, I, Y or C that can be found on the underside of a foot are caused by the shears when the glassmaker cuts off the required amount. A cold, hard ridge is left where the shears cut the glass. It doesn't melt away, but forms various shapes as the gob is tooled to create the foot. (Cribbed from Glass Circle magazine No.103)
A gadget mark can leave two parallel lines indenting the upper surface of the foot (quite close together and running towards the stem), as the top of the gadget is a C shape that clips over the foot. I seem to remember Ed Iglehart using one at Art in Action. :D
Hmm...I only said to Peter yesterday that I didn't think I'd learned much this year...maybe something trickled in somewhere :lol: :shock:
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Wish I had been a fly on the wall of some of these old glassworks :?
Doris
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We had a gadget discussion some time ago - they were usually made per item and there many types as well as being known by lots of different names.
Stuart used sandblasting instead of acid... at least by the time they bought Strathearn. All of the Stuart Strathearn marks are sand-blasted.
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Leni
Do get too excited about trying to match makers with your pieces. They are all bulk standard shapes made by many glassworks during the Victorian to early 20th C period. You say they are not marked, this does mean that explicite identification will be impossible!!!! :( .
In your group of 4, the left-hand one looks very much like an example I have, which was dated as being circa 1830 - so maybe yours is from that time also. Unfortunately as you are aware, it is not easy to give an opinion without being able to handle the glass and get a tactile impression. The one on the right-hand of the group appears to be circa 1910, and the two inbetween could be circa 1890s - but again the lack of tactile opinion applies.
Hope this helps, if only a little :)
Geoff Timberlake
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Yes, thank you very much, Geoff! :D
The dates you give are more or less what I thought they might be. I guess I'll have to be satisfied with that! :roll:
Many thanks again :D
Leni
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:hi: Leni, Tinypic's has munched all your images, do you still have copies that can be added back into here for reference please? :X: