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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: BRADBURY7308 on August 20, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
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Bought this little cracker today i love it its cased blue with clear around the edges with an offcentre lip on the top and a very neat little polished pontil underneath fair amount of wear also, It has made me trawl whitefriars collectors club but not found this colour or size but they did a similar item any ideas is it w/f???
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hi it does look very similar to the whitefriars pattern number 9645 i had one a while back http://www.whitefriars.com/isit_contents.php?ID=7388 but as you say the colour doesnt fit with whitefriars the closest it comes up to is antique blue, but i dont beleiev ive ever actaully seen a piece to compare it with (the colour chart is a bit off when comparing to something in your hand sometimes)
have you listed on the whitefriars site? they would tell you for definate if it was whitefriars or not
what is the size??
all the best
michelle
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Thanks michelle was that your red one ive been trying to make mine look like!!lol Mines a little under 5" accross but depends where you measure, what size was your's? Preety similar too 9514 also. good download that.
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Reminds me of a Per Lutken offset bowl in smokey grey which Nic mentioned a while back...
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mine was 4.5 inches across so not a great deal of difference, the opening looks alot bigger than on mine too.
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It looks like something heavily influenced by the Per Lutken piece, but the base looks wrong (and no signature).
David
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The proportions of the bowl look to be different from the Lutken bowls (here is a photo of two from Holmegaard).
John
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Looks like Whitefriars in Kingfisher Blue - the KB can vary quite a lot in tone and depth depending on the thickness of the piece and if there was a clear casing or not.
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Personally i think it is likely to be whitefriars, although ive never seen a kingfisher blue this dark. If it was mine i would pop it onto the whitefriars site just to get the colour verified
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I've had Kingfisher Blue pieces that were almost a turquoise and others that were a very deep blue - this looks right for KB (I have loads of it in at the moment).
Compare the colouring on the two pieces in the links below (from my SOLD archives) - both pieces are Kingfisher Blue.
http://www.pips-trip.co.uk/sold-glass-archives/british-glass-1/showitem-R-BLUE-BOWL2.aspx
http://www.pips-trip.co.uk/sold-glass-archives/british-glass-1/showitem-WFKNOBBLY-1.aspx
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ahh thanks pip, ive never seen it as dark as this before had quite a few pieces in the lighter and a mid way between, its almost a royal blue. after seeing that i would say this is definatly whitefriars just got to find the pattern number now
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ha your on whitefriars now, they will let you know.. looks like it might be a good un' if the colour is quite rare in this pattern number. plus you where closer than me with your guess at the 9514 :hiclp:
michelle
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Regarding the colour - I think this bowl is the Whitefriars version and it is not Kingfisher but Blue cased and will be in the 1964 catalgoue. It was also in the 1969 catalogue as Kingfisher, so two different colours. The blue/cased colour was an early blue and is also found in the knobbly range and other bowls etc. But it is definitely not Kingfisher. Emmi
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Thanks for clearing that up - the variation in KB isn't as wide as I believed then - does this darker blue have a WF colour name do you know and how is it referenced in the catalogues?
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It is simply Blue cased. I would also say Pip your 9516 bowl is also blue cased as it appeared in the 1964 cat.
http://whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?id=1714
http://whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?id=1712 scroll down for the colour at the bottom
Emmi
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Im sure this looks the same piece as the above item, Ive never seen this colour before either on any w/f pieces although w/f has such a vast range would be hard to know them all, I just thought when i was in the junk shop id take a chance for 49p thanks for everyones time clearing it up for me i may keep it as it seems a rarer colour if only a small item. Does anyone know if it would be desirable on the re-sale market? Thanks again dan :hiclp:
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Dan, I have to disagree with you. Blue cased is not a rare or unusual colour, it is a catalogued colour used from around 1957 on a few production patterns and more regularly in the early 60s. I have quite a few items in Blue/cased, but it is possible that some patterns were more popular in ruby or the green cased and there MAY be less of the blue, I don't know it is just speculation on my part that these small bowls are more often seen in Ruby, less so in green and maybe less so in blue. But it does not make them rare and unusual. One Ruby one sold recently on ebay for about £20 if that helps. Regards Emmi
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I think this photo clearly illustrates the differences between the Whitefriars colours Kingfisher Blue and the earlier Blue/Cased. They are different "tones" of blue entirely.
Hope this helps Emmi
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/emmismith/TwoBlueknobblies.jpg)
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:thup: thanks, I usually have problems with the lighter colours (the sea greens and twilights) not the darker more distinct ones!
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I think this photo clearly illustrates the differences between the Whitefriars colours Kingfisher Blue and the earlier Blue/Cased. They are different "tones" of blue entirely.
Hope this helps Emmi
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/emmismith/TwoBlueknobblies.jpg)
So it's kingfisher on the left and blue cased on the right? They are both lovely colours.
Carolyn