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Title: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: keith on August 22, 2009, 02:25:09 PM

Think this is quite new,Murano maybe?i.d please,Keith

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: TxSilver on August 22, 2009, 03:16:50 PM

I see these attributed to Murano often, but I believe they are either Czech or British. Did you buy it from a store? I wondered how you know that it is new. I've seen this type of pattern in many vintage pieces.

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: keith on August 22, 2009, 04:07:41 PM

Got it from an 'antique' warehouse,nothing about its age or origin,about 7/8 years ago,think you are right it just looks 'Murano' ,it has that newish feel,ta,Keith.

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 22, 2009, 05:33:58 PM

Old and Bohemia I think

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: obscurities on August 22, 2009, 05:35:43 PM

Would it be possible to get a large image of the underside?  I would like to see that before making a comment as to attribution. Also, is the upper rim ground and polished, or just ground. A closeup of the glass in the upper "bowl" would be great also.

Craig

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: keith on August 22, 2009, 06:02:20 PM

As requested,top and bottom,hope this helps

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: obscurities on August 22, 2009, 06:17:58 PM

I agree with Christine...  IMHO  Old for sure, and Bohemian in origin.  4 layers of casing combined with the foot style would, IMO take it out of Italian range and place it to pre WWI Bohemia.  Mold blown with this style of applied decor would lead me to suspect Kralik as a maker.

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: TxSilver on August 22, 2009, 06:33:25 PM

I am glad to read that it is probably Bohemian. I had thought this pattern was Bohemian, maybe Kralik, until I saw similar pieces IDed as Stourbridge. There is a lot of confusion between Bohemian and British glass.

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: obscurities on August 22, 2009, 07:07:47 PM

I remember reading, although I do not remember where, that some workers migrated fairly early from Bohemian production to English. If this is accurate it would help to explain some of the striking similarities that lead to some incorrect attributions. There is, I think, (I was guilty of it myself if you see my opalescent vase post) a fairly common and widespread misconception that a lot of the footed vases with this style of applied foot are English in origin.

I realized several years ago that this was not correct, but for some reason never applied my new found information to the Kralik piece I was still researching as English.

To me the color combination in the glass (forget the foot and the applied decor) just say Bohemian quite clearly.

I think there is most likely a fair number of early attributions, that if viewed in the light of today's knowledge would end up being credited to Bohemian production and not English. 

Truitt's Bohemian Glass 1880-1940  shows quite a few examples of Kralik production with applied decor distributed by Hosch that, IMHO could pretty easily be seen as English without the knowledge provided by the publication of that book.

Craig

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: keith on August 22, 2009, 07:19:23 PM

Thanks to all,I have contact with Kralik collector in New York I'll see what he thinks,again ta for all the input,Keith

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: obscurities on August 22, 2009, 10:34:42 PM

You can also go to this website:

http://sites.google.com/site/loetzandglass/Home

Alfredo's email is on that page, and he would be glas to take a look and give his opinion. He is one of the best on Kralik..... 

If you email him, keep us posted as to what he says....

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: keith on August 23, 2009, 07:36:56 PM

Just had email from prof' Alfredo,he said it is a  Kralik fairy lamp and has been after one for some time by the sounds of it!Keith.

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: obscurities on August 23, 2009, 08:01:11 PM

It is a great piece, and one I would love to have in my collection also....  Great form, fairly early, and fabulous colors in the decor.... 

The applied work looks, and has the feel of being pretty early (pre 1900), but the colored portion of the decor is so far ahead of it's time it has been, many times over, quite amazing to me the early work they did....

If Alfredo has been chasing one for a long time, it would stand to reason that they are quite uncommon....  His collection is quite substantial in size....   and also in variety.....

Nice find....  sometimes the greatest things are right under our noses and we don't even realize it until our knowledge catches up with our taste!!!   :thup:

Craig

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: keith on August 24, 2009, 11:59:20 AM

Turns out I got this back in 1995,I originally thought it was an 'end-of-day' piece from the 60's or 70's and been sitting at the back of a shelf for some time,I think it's time to put it with the rest of the Kralik(the Kralik I didn't know was Kralik till recently!!!)thanks to every one,Keith

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: Jim Sapp on October 02, 2009, 03:42:18 PM

Hi,

I would agree that your piece is probably Kralik.  And, Kralik did produce a broad range of well documented fairy lamps (candle lamps is a better term).  However, I do not believe it is correct to identify your piece as a fairy lamp.  Fairy lamps of this style typically have a separate shade and candle cup.  Unless I am mistaken, your piece is of one-piece construction.  Below are a few fairy lamps of this style.  These examples are from Fairy Lamps by Ruf.  There are seemingly countless other variations and glass types of this style.

(http://www.fairy-lamp.com/Temp/Standards_small.jpg)

Your piece may simply be a "vase" or may have used oil and a floating wick if it was used as a lamp...but probably not a candle.

If you are interested in other Kralik fairy lamps, I would be happy to post a few known and probable examples for you.

Jim
www.fairylampclub.com (http://www.fairylampclub.com)

Title: Re: Old or new,frilly vase..
Post by: johnphilip on October 02, 2009, 04:40:34 PM

Quote from: TxSilver

There is a lot of confusion between Bohemian and British glass.

Hi Anita i think this is because many Bohemian artist came to work in the UK when the Nazis started gathering in that area, many came to Stourbridge as i am sure you know .Regards JP .