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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Joolz666 on September 11, 2009, 08:34:57 PM
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I was SO happy to find this forum - I have been looking for any information on the attached 'vase' and hope that you might have some ideas.
The piece stands approx 12" tall and measures 6" in diameter at widest point.
The top is a removeable lid - and I can't see any distinguishing marks on the piece anywhere.
I bought the 'vase' approx 7 yrs ago at an estate auction in Iowa, US but unfortunately there was noone available to tell me anything about the piece.
Any ideas plz?
Thank you!
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Good luck Joolz ... hope someone will recognise it and can help you out.
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Lovely kinky colour combo most likely from Empoli (Italy) in the 1970s. I have an identical one in white instead of orange.
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Any chance I can see a picture of yours Ivo?
Would love to compare pieces :chky:
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sorry cannot find it right now - maybe later
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I would really like to find out more about Empoli Cased Glass.
Can anyone advise on good place to start research plz?
The reason I ask is that I think I purchased a vintage piece of Empoli a few years ago at an estate sale and I am trying to verify it's origins so that I can purchase more pieces.
I tried contacting a business that advertises online and has a lot of pieces for sale but have to admit they were rather rude and unwilling to give any assistance at all.
So any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
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It might be best if you could post a picture of your piece. Are you able to do that?
I don't personally know a great deal about the Empoli companies, but here are a few links to get you started.
I'm guessing this is the website you've already contacted?
http://www.vmglasshouse.com/newsletter06.htm
http://www.vmglasshouse.com/empoli-cased-hot.htm
http://www.centrovetro.it/tradizione_eng.asp
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,24679.msg137558.html#msg137558
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,26867.msg147246.html#msg147246
... etc. Hopefully someone can tell you more.
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Hi Cathy,
You guessed correctly on the company I attempted to contact - here is a bit of his reply which I found rather rude in tone:
"You bought your jar without knowing what it is which tells me you are motivated to buy things based on how they look, not what they are. You have also already determined that your jar looks like what I sell. Presumably then if anything on my site interested you, you would have already either bought something from me, inquired about something I have for sale or at least joined my mailing list.
Instead, you asked me to identify an item you surely bought inexpensively at an estate sale. I don’t think I risk losing future sales here and believe me I am not in the habit of being argumentative with potential customers. Generally people on the glass message boards are not customers of mine, they are usually other dealers and ebay buyers.
I earn my living based on my knowledge – which is unique and difficult to acquire – it is an asset that I essentially sell.
Best etc."
Please bear in mind that at no time did I ask for a valuation, just asked if he could let me know if I was heading in the right direction thinking that this might be an example of Empoli cased glass.
I have enclosed a picture and I think it resembles other 'circus tent' pieces I have found on-line but so far nothing in the same colour palette.
Thanks
Joolz
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His tone was rude..... quite rude, and very arrogant.... He made immediate assumptions that you would never be a customer. (I guess he proved that one right by his response to you)
He reminds me of a dealer at an auction I went to a few years ago...
He paid a lot of money for a cup and saucer ($900), and I went over after it sold and asked him what it was. I told him I was just curious and had no interest in the item personally. His response to me was that there was no way he would tell me as his knowledge was worth too much to him and he would never share it. He was a real jerk about it.
I went and bought a book on the subject and studied up on line also.... I figured out what it was and what it was worth. Next time a similar one came up for sale at an auction he and I were at, I outbid him with the intention of selling it online. He stared at me with a scowl, obviously remembering our previous conversation. I walked over and told him that his rudeness on the previous occasion had motivated me to learn about something I really had no interest in and that he had successfully turned me into a competitor. I told him that if he had simply answered the question I asked in the first place, my curiosity would have been satisfied and I would have walked away.....
Some people, like the guy that emailed you, simply don't get it..... He obviously does not.... Knowledge is hard for him to acquire, because he is obviously attempting to do it all alone.... without sharing any.... and that is absolutely the most difficult way....
I have always found that the more knowledge I share, the more I learn..... It is a two way street, and that is what this forum is all about....
Craig
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Craig you are 100% correct.
John
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Joolz, thanks for adding the photograph. I've merged your two topics as they both relate to the same item...it helps keep things tidy. If you ever want to discuss one the items you've posted already, simply add a reply or a question to the already existing thread and it'll bump it up the ratings. :thup: :)
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Thanks for totally understanding guys!
I personally found his tone beligerant and the fact that he belittled anyone that used forums for advice is just narrow minded.
The whole purpose of my enquiry (as I stated to him) was to find out what I actually had so I could start collecting more of the same.
Still we live and learn and he most certainly has lost a potential customer.
All I can hope is that if anyone else has the misfortune to have to deal with this 'vintage glass expert' that they get treated as they deserve to be.
Joolz
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Although I know it's rather hurtful to receive such an answer when one requests help, could we (sorry to be so grandiose here :-\) consider that the person concerned may receive 20 similar requests every day. Their reason for guarding their hard-earned knowledge is (I think) understandable too as it might be their livelihood at stake as far as they're concerned.
It's completely different to the way the Glass Message Board operates, as we're about free dissemination of knowledge before it's lost...but I can understand that other people don't always feel the same way. :-\
...this could be a topic for the Cafe really, because I'm sure everyone has a point of view on this! :) :)
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Max,
I understand where you are coming from, but IMHO, if you get that many requests, then send out a nice, polite and professional response (form letter if you must) that does not insult and belittle the activities of someone (actually, a potential customer) that took the time to find you and contact you. At worst, just don't respond....
Craig
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Ahhh Max,
Saw where you were from and got homesick all over again - I have been living in the USA for 8 years now but moved here from Kent.
I miss the auctions and antique dealers back home - they were always so friendly....
Oh and fish 'n' chips of course! :chky:
I thank both you and Craig for your comments - I understand both sides but tend to agree, if the gentleman in question didn't want to give an opinion then why spend 2 days & 2 emails writing back to me telling me what a pest I am hehehe...strange!
Maybe he was just having a bad week.