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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Tinker-Taylor on September 24, 2009, 07:59:28 PM
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Sorry for the cheeky subject header. Just getting your attention, dear GM member.
I bought a pair of book ends today, and was wondering if you might know a maker? Quite sure they're deco but will stand corrected if not.
TIA, as ever,
Stu.
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Seems my buyer knew that they were approx mid 19th century dumps. ::)
Had I known, then I maybe would have kept them. :'(
C'est la vie, non? :)
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They're not dumps (http://www.glassencyclopedia.com/glassdumps.html), but yes probably Victorian and mantle ornaments
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Oh right - that's cool. My buyer said that they are called dumps because the glass is "dumped" into a one-sided mould and then pressed in with a metal tool. I will provide him with your link. Regardless, I would have kept them if I knew they were Victorian. Oh well.
:)
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I've seen a few of these around lately at fairs, maybe just chance, but it makes me suspicious they are being reproduced. Did yours have much wear?
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glass is "dumped" into a one-sided mould and then pressed in with a metal tool.
That's more or less how all pressed glass is made. A gob of glass falls into a mould and a metal plunger then presses it to shape. Sounds like your buyer is a reseller not a collector. Que sera
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Steven - I've known these to have been in my supplier's shop for a couple of years (before I thought about collecting glass). That doesn't suggest they're not repro though, admittedly. I wonder. Oh well...
Stu
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Christine - I agree, and that's what I thought regarding dumps too. He's probably got a shop in the US (they've gone there).
:)
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Is there a joint mark, probably running the length of the body? I can't see how these could be made in a "dump mould" (we call it "flow mould"), as the piece could not relieve from such a mould after the glass has set up.
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No joint mark that I recall (they're on a plane to the States now). The non-impressed side was completely smooth and clear, suggesting that it was allowed to find it's own level.
Stu.
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Hi, I bought a pair of these a couple of months ago on ebay and then found this.
http://1st-glass.1st-things.com/gallery-victorian/slides/bottleglassdog1850.html
Mine look basically the same and are not moulded on the back. Like yours, mine have not got the detail on the base that is shown on the picture on 1st glass site. Don't think address above will work as a link but you should be able to find the website easily enough.
What I can say is that mine are ABSOLUTELY filthy with dirt that looks to me as its accumulated over quite a time. They have a lot of wear on the back of them for some reason, don't know whether they've been laid down flat or pushed against something.
I will put some photos on of mine but have a very poorly horse at the moment so bear with me. Gill
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Gill
Your link worked like a dream - I am very grateful for your post. I also look forward to seeing your photos when the poor old horse is on the mend.
I think I have had some interesting developments in respect of these doggies, but will know more tomorrow.
:)
Stu.
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Managed to get a pair of the cast iron ones for an American contact who now says he doesn't want them! Egg on face and money down the drain!
Grrrrrrrrrr!
Woof!
;D ::)
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What I can say is that mine are ABSOLUTELY filthy with dirt that looks to me as its accumulated over quite a time. They have a lot of wear on the back of them for some reason, don't know whether they've been laid down flat or pushed against something.
Books, perhaps? >:D :24:
Carolyn
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Good thought, when I bought them, they were described as bookends but to be honest I don't think they'd be heavy enough or stable enough really, they do rock slighty on the bases.
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used as doorstops maybe ? which caused some scuffing/wear ?
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I rather think that the glass ones were meant for mantle display, side-on, whilst the metal ones were hearth companions for much closer to the fire.
:) :) :)
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Here finally, Gill's Dirty Dogs!
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-12109
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-12108
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-12107
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Very nice they are too! Actually wish I had kept mine now - that'll teach me! (Probably not).
:)
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Could they be the glass equivalent of Staffordshire pottry flat-backed figures? They would have been intended as ornaments for the mantelpiece. If so, it would not have mattered if they were a little wobbly on their bases.
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I rather think that the glass ones were meant for mantle display, side-on, whilst the metal ones were hearth companions for much closer to the fire.
:) :) :)
Yep, I agree.
I have also discovered that my iron ones were painted once upon a time, and in such a finish they would have looked great on a mantlepiece with the hollow side facing the wall. In fact they look rather lost anywhere else.