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Title: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: Greg. on October 12, 2009, 12:20:59 PM
Hi All,

Can someone confirm that my instinct is correct and that the attached vase is Whitefriars..?

It is very similar to their optic rib vases with the optic banding running horizontally and appears to be kingfisher blue.  Slightly flared with a pinched rim.

I gather from whitefriars.org, that some of the experimental optic rib vases are not cataloged, is this correct, if anyone does no of a Pat No, please advise.

Around 8 inches in height and weighs just over 1kg, ground pontil to base.

All thoughts appreciated.

Regards,
Greg
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: vidrioguapo on October 12, 2009, 01:18:17 PM
Hi I really can't tell from your photos, too much decking and reflections going on ! :o But it may be one of these on the following link.scroll down to see all of them.. However, they seemed to be made in Ruby, Blue cased and Green cased, but not Kingfisher as far as I can see. (although it is possible) Also you say 8" approx, height does matter so a more accurate measurement is always helpful

http://www.whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?id=1912

PS I have just checked and the pat. 9582 was made in Kingfisher, but it is only 6.5 inches tall.
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 12, 2009, 01:52:25 PM
The ribbing is diagonal and the vase is not cased in clear, so not Whitefriars.
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: vidrioguapo on October 12, 2009, 02:28:21 PM
You may be right Nic, but for the life of me I can't see ribbing, horizontal, diagonal or vertical with the decking behind it.!!!!!  Certainly it should be cased in clear if it is Whitefriars. 

Emmi
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: chriscooper on October 12, 2009, 02:53:51 PM
No from me too, why have decking and draining boards in photos anyway? it only distorts the image.
Chris
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: Greg. on October 12, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
sorry all, please excuse the photo quality/ background.

Theres a very similar vase on the whitefriars website below, with diagonal ribbing, although cased in clear glass, any thoughts, measures exactly 8 inches in height....

http://www.whitefriarsorg.org/memb1/ref2.htm
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 12, 2009, 04:01:37 PM
The lack of casing pretty much dismisses Whitefriars completely for this Kingfisher-esque colour.

I wish I could suggest alternative factories but optic-ribbed vases were made by MANY companies worldwide, and are often hard to pin down without catalogues, labels or signatures.
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: johnphilip on October 12, 2009, 05:51:38 PM
Hi Chris , you gave me a great laugh , the moment i saw the pics i thought of your draining board have you tried to sell it yet on Whitefriars.com it must now be quite valuable and a collectors piece . I hope you are not going to do a moody on me , how about some decking . ;D >:D :chky: :thup:jp
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: PAUL H on October 13, 2009, 06:22:13 PM
Hi everyone.. I think I may have solved this puzzle. The vase in question is in my opinion by Reimjyre of Sweden. I have similar items in green one with a sticker that is 150mm in height and another that is almost identical but 200mm in height. The range is thought to have been designed by Monica Blatt in the 70s and also come in blue. They are lovely designs and very well made I can understand the confusion with Whitefriars with the circular polished pontil. Regards Paul.
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 13, 2009, 08:30:18 PM
Monica Bratt stopped working at Reijmyre in 1958.
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: PAUL H on October 14, 2009, 06:52:31 AM
Oh so solly for the misspelling... and the reference to the design period was given to me by a Swedish
glass dealer at Newark.. I was told she done freelance designs after her period at Rejmyre. He must have been misinformed
too maybe.
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 14, 2009, 09:31:30 AM
Very much so, I'm afraid. Ms. Bratt died in 1961, if memory serves, so any post-Reijmyre freelance work is unlikely.
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: PAUL H on October 14, 2009, 04:26:32 PM
Oh dear I'm sorry to hear she died.. she was a very talented designer and her work is much admired.
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: Greg. on October 14, 2009, 04:44:21 PM
Hi Paul,

Thanks for your comments, I see your vase is very similar.  What information is on the sticker of your vase..? - Are they produced by 'Reijmyre', just the specific designer that is in question...? :)
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: PAUL H on October 14, 2009, 04:58:39 PM
Hi Greg and all interested party's.. Just come across this link that shows this type of vase in blue with a very interesting label. I have seen this vase with horizontal ribbing that has the same dimensions as the Reimjyre vases I have. I have a customer in New Zealand who has a collection of these vases in blue and green the largest being 330mm in height. So it seems these patterns were made in three sizes and two colours so I hope this has solved the original Whitefriars? vase (see top of page) mystery.. In my opinion I still believe it to be a Reimjyre vase and not a rare Whitefriars piece.
Please view this link..
http://www.scandinavianform.se/popup_mbblavas11.html
Regards Paul.
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: Greg. on October 14, 2009, 05:32:45 PM
Thanks very much Paul, all very interesting. Would you attribute the production of these to the 1950s...?

Thanks again for all your info and thoughts.

Regards,
Greg
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: PAUL H on October 14, 2009, 06:02:48 PM
The original design yes but probably produced into the 1970s as Nick pointed out Monica Bratt was at Reimjyre till 1958.. style wise I would guess it was one of her later designs. Regards Paul.
Title: Re: Poss Whitefriars ID - Optic Rib..? & Poss Pat. nO..
Post by: Greg. on October 14, 2009, 06:21:13 PM
Thanks for your knowledge Paul, much appreciated.