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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Tinker-Taylor on October 15, 2009, 04:16:24 PM
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Hi
I have seen vases like these here and there, but was just wondering if this is the genuine article? I guess I can't really see why anyone would copy.
Murano house name would be greatly appreciated, if anyone knows it.
TIA
Stu.
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ooohhhhh prettttyyyyy, have you had the UV blacklight on it yet?? may contain some Uranium??, (im gonna get shouted at now ;D) looks to me like possibly Flavio Poli style?
michelle
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Thank you kindly, Ma'am. Sadly I lack the necessary light.
My wife frowns at me when I mention a UV light because she also cannot believe I haven't bought one yet. Sore subject. :24:
Yes, I think the Flavio comment might have people on your case at any moment.
:) :) :)
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I also think it looks like Seguso Vetri d'Arte. Poli designed a lot of their pieces. Poli has gotten to be one of those questionable names because of its abuse on eBay. I hope someone can tell you if yours is definitely a Seguso piece.
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ummmhhh you must get one.. i have 3, 2 little torches on keyrings and one big strip light one which i use when lighting something for picture to sell it.. they really are worth while even for the entertainment value... line up 10 pieces and play guess the uranium turn off the lights and turn on the UV see who guessed right (i dont really play this game... well not often anyway ;D)
also if your really bored you can write on the wall with a UV pen (my sons spy pen) then shine your light on it.. which is amusing the first time, (thats what jon said anyway ;D)
I also like to watch people's face when your trying desperatly to see of there is a reaction and they have no idea what your doing ;D, i'm quite use to people thinking im mad now so it doesnt bother me too much :chky:
michelle
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Brilliantly funny :24:
You're right too, of course - I'll look for one on fleabay now.
:)
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I have seen vases like these here and there, but was just wondering if this is the genuine article? I guess I can't really see why anyone would copy.
Because it's a classic and beautiful shape.
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Dont bother with Fleabay go to Maplins .jp
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I suppose so. :) I am really not keen, sadly. :) Emma really loves it, however.
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Maplins? OK, we have one really nearby. Will do, and thanks!
:thup:
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whats maplins?? never heard of it.
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Its a Holyday camp and fish and chip shop north of SNORBENZ but down here its an Electrical discount store Good value . ;D :kissy: :chky: :kissy: :thup:
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Holyday camp?is that where monks take their vacations????????
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::)
Thought I might just mention that I am still very interested to know which Murano house this hails from...
:) :) :)
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Hi Stu, The parallel striations in the polished base, along with what appears to be a ribbon of brown glass in the vase would have me lean towards contemporary production. Additionally, there appears to be a bevel around the bottom edge of the vase, again indicating to me that it is much more contemporary. If by "genuine article", you are asking if it is Seguso Vetri d'Arte, I would say No. As to an attribution of the actual house that produced it, I would say it may be impossible to know for sure..... I would not totally rule out the possibility that it could be nicely done Chinese.... the brown ribbon would lead me that direction...
Regarding Michelle's Flavio Poli comment...... Poli's designs are generally clean architectural lines, and he is best known for his designs using the Sommerso technique.....
His name is unfortunately used in association with tons and tons of Sommerso Italian glass, and as I have stated before, he is to Sommerso Italian glass, as Michael Powolny is to Tango Czech glass.
If I only had a nickel for every incorrect reference to Poli or Powolny on ebay and the rest of the internet, I would be a very rich man.......
Pretty vase though......
Craig
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That's great (as it came to me very reasonably priced) thank you Craig.
So, I am happy to take a "board" decision on how to list it on ebay. I would like to just state "Murano" if possible, but would not do so if anyone here objects. I would not even wish to say "in the style of" or "most probably" etc.
Thoughts?
:)
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I totally missed the ribbon in the glass. It gives the vase a clear cut look, doesn't it. I've not seen a Seguso VA piece with this. Thank you for pointing it out, Craig. It is so blatant that I don't know how I missed it.
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Dont bother with Fleabay go to Maplins .jp
jp, are you saying this vase is from Maplins? :)
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He's saying the UV light can be bought from Maplins.
So... thoughts?
How about if this vase is UV reactive? Does that lend weight to it's Murano origins? It also has light water staining, which suggests (to me, at least) that it does have some age.
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Craig: Agreed about the ribbon of brown and the striations. I hadn't heard about the bevelled edge before, and so off I went checking for bevelled edges. I have a vase in the same shape, red drop, bevelled edge, wear on a non striated base, and it reacts to UV light. I've never thought it was Poli, but I had hopes for it being SVA. Does the bevelled edge rule out just Poli, SVA, or any Murano of age?
David
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I agree with Craig but would add that it could be modern Czech or Polish, and the quality looks good. The trouble with hot worked glass is that these simple, elegant designs are easy to rework and saleable. There is no intention to deceive.
The bevelled edge does not rule out Murano, vintage or otherwise. I have a labelled Murano piece in red and green uranium that sounds a bit like yours except mine has a handle. The bevelled edge is often an indicator of quality, although it's lack is not necessarily an indicator of lack of quality. IYSWIM ::) It's another expense in the production process.
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Yes sorry, Maplins sell a nice UV strip light for under twenty pounds . :thup:
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Regarding the beveled edge, My own experience is that they are not very common and the only pieces I have personally observed them on are newer. I would also add that I am referring to non geometric pieces. I venture to say that you guys across the pond see a much greater variety of this type of glass than I do in Seattle.... so my experience may simply be limited by geography.....
They have always struck me as a portion of work that was done to clean up something unwanted. On a piece such as this with an organic form and completely curvilinear lines, it seems a geometric detail which in the whole design of the piece is out of place. None of the pieces I have with curvilinear lines and ground bottoms have a beveled bottom edge on them, but all of the geometric pieces do.
Craig
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I've spent a few minutes looking at pieces, bevelled and non-bevelled (I think I have also heard chamferred used), and I can seldom tell by looking at the piece on display whether or not it's bevelled. I'm not convinced it's an aesthetic issue, but rather a practical one. The bevelled edge reduces the chances of the edge being chipped.
David
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The bevelled edge reduces the chances of the edge being chipped.
That makes sense to me.... especially on the bottom edge where it will be set down when it is moved.
Based on that, I would then think that it would be found more on pieces with steep vertical sides like this vase, as opposed to for example, a bowl....
It now actually makes more sense as a functional detail than a cosmetic one.....
Craig
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Both these pieces have beautifully bevelled bottom edges. I also have a bowl sort of thingy that has and two that don't.
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Standing by for ethics opinions. I would be starting it at 50p!
Bought a little key fob UV light (which is made in China) today... seems the only UV reactive item in my house is my cat's eyes. ::) Sigh.
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Sigh. I wouldn't say 'probably Murano'. Either hold on to it until you get a better fix on the identification, or take stunning pictures of it and just sell it as a nice vase, pointing out the bevelling. :kissy:
If you come across an item for sale which is not as described and you have good evidence, you can mention it on this message board. What you can not write is that the seller is dishonest or a fraudster, firstly because often it's hard to tell whether the seller is genuinely dishonest or just mistaken, and secondly because calling the seller dishonest might give the seller grounds for libel - even if the claim is ultimately true. It's safest to keep such statements brief, factual and completely defensible.
For this reason, the Board Policy Guidelines (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6521.0.html) state:
If you wish to draw attention to an on-line auction which you consider to be ‘not as described’ you may provide a link to the auction but you should only state that “in my opinion this piece has not been described correctly.” Or, for example, in the case of a signature that you feel is incorrect “the signature does not appear to be genuine.” It would also be advisable to ask if others have any opinion. Do not state anything is a fact, unless you can provide documentary proof!
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Murano hmm ::)
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I note that you have this vase listed on ebay as 'Murano Sommerso' and I wondered what fresh and conclusive evidence you have, given your strong and vocal stance on such matters? :)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=48f9efac31b61334f5d18405dc660378&topic=29513.msg159822#msg159822
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I have seen nothing here to convince me that it is not from Murano, and it's water staining was accompanied by some ingrained dirt and thicker calcification, suggesting some age (some age I do not refer to in my listing). Although I cannot claim it's exact age, I am mostly aware of it's provenance.
I have added a very clear photo of the base to my listing, not avoided doing so, as the Japanese Bond Ware ebayer - of the thread you linked to - had (I have not seen Bond Ware without "Japan" on it's base).
I have not claimed "Poli" or "Seguso" or any other maker, and neither do I say "probably by" any of them. I am selling it as it was sold to me, following an inconclusive appraisal here which, as the evidence of this thread will ascertain, rather made me feel like I had been sent to Coventry anyway, and I had listed the item before anyone actually replied to my repeated appeals for "best practice".