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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: TxSilver on October 16, 2009, 10:29:02 PM
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One problem with having so many references is trying to find something when you need it. I've searched this afternoon for the reference, but couldn't find the right one (if it exists). I believe that this 6.25" vase was made by Harrach in the 19th Century. Does anyone know for sure if this is correct? Thanks!
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The enamel flowers resemble some small vases I have by Moser so maybe?Keith.
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Maybe Harrach but I doubt it. the decoration is similar to some Harrach but it isn't as fine as Harrach tends to be in that dept. The glass itself doesn't look like any of the absolute Harrach treatments I am familiar with nor does the shape. (not of course, that I know probably even a fraction of the whole that was released) what does the rim of the vase look like? is it gilt? is it finely cut?
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Thanks for looking. The inner white of the rim is ground lightly. The clear casing is thicker around the mouth to form a ring, which is ground slightly around the rim. I included a picture of the top. It feels fire polished, but I can see the flattened, polished areas when I use my goggles.
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yeah, after seeing the rim I really don't think Harrach. it just doesn't appear to be finished the way Harrach tended to finish their glass. you'd expect to see the rim very tailored looking, carved basically with a nice gilding layer so you couldn't see the two glasses meet. the gilding can wear off but usually there will be some remnant of it left.
I am sure there are always exceptions and I could be wrong.. But I do not think it's Harrach.
I'd say English or Bohemian going for the style of Harrach and Webb but of lesser known glass house.
I guess there is also the possibility that Harrach had a lower cost glass too that had more quality flaws than their top line stuff. I've always suspected that maybe they did. is it very heavy for a vase of it's size? does the white lining glow with blacklight?
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Do you think these are similar,the yellow one's are Moser the pink I don't know,Keith.
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Nice vases, Keith. I have a couple of the yellow vases. Alfredo has some of this type glass under his Czech Jugendstil section. I see them listed as Moser sometimes, but I've never been sure of the attribution. Are yours signed? If you have a good reference, please let me know. I call these pieces lemon glass. I picked up the name from someone, but I don't remember who. The ones I have glow orange under black light, so were probably colored with cadmium. (Thanks, Lustrousstone!)
The red vase is different than the yellow ones. The yellow have internal white spatter used to create the marbling. My red vase is colored on the surface of the white. I see these type vases sold as Loetz carneol on eBay sometimes. They do resemble them. I have seen documentation for these types of vases, but I don't trust my memory -- so much glass, so little brains. The rim is actually pretty nice. It is smooth and feels fire polished. I definitely need to do a better picture. It is black light negative. The weight is pretty normal, neither light nor heavy (221 g, 7.8 oz). The enamel is well fired. There was gilded detail on the enamel, but it has worn with age. It is a nice vase actually. I hope someone recognizes the design.
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It was Alfredo who said the yellow ones were Moser,neither are uv reactive and the weights are like yours,medium,no marks or sig's on any of them,would like to know where the pink one is from,yours also is a very nice piece,Keith.
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Thanks for the information, Keith. Your vases look very much like my vases, but yours are nicer. Mine are most likely from a different source, since they are very UV reactive. They were probably made by a lesser house to look like the Moser vases. I say lesser because they are not as nice as yours.
Do you think your pink vase might be Harrach? It is super nice. The metal looks like silver flake to me.
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Thank you,yes they are silver inclusions,did post this piece sometime ago but got no response,I do have another yellow one without decoration but it's quality is not so good Alfredo thought it was from elsewhere.I have a jug I suspect is Harrach I contacted Alfredo and 'The Harrach Project' some time ago but have yet to hear,Keith.
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I would say Ailsa's vase is Bohemian and I would be very surprised if Keith's yellow ones were Moser, despite what Alfredo says. The quality isn't there. Bohemian yes, but not Moser
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In regards to the yellow vases I believe the pictures were from the Passau Museum,although there is not the quality you expect from Moser maybe an associated factory,I know what you mean I have a large pillar vase(I think that's what they are called) and ,despite the wear to the gilding the quality does show,Keith.
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There are some yellow vases at the bottom of http://sites.google.com/site/bohemianglassandmore/moser. I believe this site belongs to one of our members. He calls it lemon glass and shows it is UV reactive, probably the same orange that my vases turn. I don't think my vases are Moser. They don't look or feel like Moser to me, so I will need a lot of convincing.
The site has some Harrach pieces with rims similar to mine. Maybe I will find the documentation of the red vase soon. I am also looking for your pink vase, Keith. The pink onyx color reminds me a lot of my own vase. You want to swap. ;D
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Christine, none of these vases are mine. :)
I don't think the yellow varigated are Moser and I do not recall any Yellow variegated pieces being listed in the PMC. Alfredo is not always right. It's an absolute myth that he is, especially when you fall into areas of glass that he doesn't particularly like such as Moser and Harrach.
Apparently Harrach did do a yellow variegated glass for Moser to sell for them, but I suspect a lot of companies made Yellow varigated.
I still don't think the pink splotchy piece is Harrach. Absolutely NONE of these pieces are Loetz Onyx or even particularly close to being Loetz Onyx. (Harrach also did a onyx type glass and this is also not it)
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Christine, none of these vases are mine. :)
I still don't think the pink splotchy piece is Harrach. Absolutely NONE of these pieces are Loetz Onyx or even particularly close to being Loetz Onyx. (Harrach also did a onyx type glass and this is also not it)
They are definitely not Loetz. The only mention of Loetz was that the red variegated type is sometimes sold as Loetz carneol on eBay. I did not intend to hint that the vase was Loetz.
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I'm getting a headache now,definite Bohemia,Moser unlikely but I like them all,I presume PMC refers to the Passau catalogues,where can you get a copy?Keith.
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passau museum catalogs. PMC. I got mine from the passau museum. you can get them from resellers too off ABE Books. with shipping IIRC my set was about 370 USD.
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Ta,another thing to add to my list of things to get,Keith.
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I'm going to disagree with my friend Alisa and say that I think there is a better than average chance this pink vase is by Harrach. The gilt decoration is very close to the airtrap pieces on the left hand side of my page here:
http://sites.google.com/site/bohemianglassandmore/harrach
I also think that much of the variegated lemon glass (I got the terminology from Baldwin) is not Moser and was made by a few, if not several other companies. If the piece is not signed or in a clearly recognizable Moser decor, the Moser factory today will not claim it.
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I hoped that you would see the thread, Galle. I could not remember your username when I posted the link to your site. It is a very useful site for me.
I ran across the lemon glass in Moser's book last night. It was nice to know from the book and your site that I had not just dreamed some name up. Keith wrote that his glass was not reactive. Something I ran across with a yellow vase this evening is that casing glass somehow can interfere with seeing the UV effect on glass that (I presume) is colored with cadmium. The vase that I tested tonight glowed orange on the iside, which is not cased, but did not glow on the outside, which is cased. I noticed that you pictured the lemon glass on your site inside and outside. I wonder if Keith's vases might indeed be UV reactive, but can't be seen looking from the outside. (I also think that opalescence can interfere with seeing the orange UV reaction, but that is from a different thread.)
When you mentioned the pink vase, were you referring to Keith's or mine? My red vase is really a very dark pink, so thought I would ask.
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Hi, Anita - I was referring to yours - I haven't a clue about the other one. Out of curiosity, can you tell me what the measurements are (height, width, and weight)? Thanks for your note about the site - I am still trying to figure out what I'm doing and where I want to go with it, so I'm glad you find it useful.
By the way, Gallé is my last name - you can call me Warren. :)
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Warren, the vase is 15.7 cm tall and 8.1 cm at the widest point. The inner rim diameter is 2.6 cm. It weighs 221 g.
A couple of years ago I had a few Loetz carneol vases and saw some vases that were similar to the carneol pieces. I ran across a believable reference that attributed the glass to Harrach. The reference stated that the vases may have been made to look like the carneol vases. I cannot remember what reference I may have been using, however, so I am uncertain. I really think I need a couple of books to remind me of what reference to look in for information. Any ideas? I have spent a good bit of time trying to track down the source.
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Not sure on the reference. I will keep an eye out as I am reading and re-reading.
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But the decoration is the only part that is somewhat Harrach like, it's an average weight, the lining is not uranium salted (I know it was only salted until 1890 or something like that and this piece is probably later so this point may not be relevant) the neck is sloppy looking, the decoration is similar to Harrach but then Harrach blanks were decorated by lots of different people so it is safe to assume that the same factories that decorated Harrach decorated other glasshuttes as well.. the blank quality just doesn't seem that high to me.
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I am puzzled. We must be looking at the vase in different ways. You may be expecting more than I am from the vase. IME, the quality of Harrach pieces is variable. This is a simple, pretty vase that is fairly well made, though not a masterpiece.
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It certainly isn't run-of-the-mill spatter. I like it quite a bit- nearly bid on it myself.
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I think it's a cracking little vase,makes mine look quite plain,I've uv'd the yellow ones and the pink, none of mine are reactive,Keith.
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It certainly isn't run-of-the-mill spatter. I like it quite a bit- nearly bid on it myself.
You were lucky not to have bid. It has an undescribed nick on the bottom edge. If I had known, I would definitely not bid as much. I'm just glad I didn't bid more.
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That's disappointing. :( Sorry that happened.