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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: ardy on October 20, 2009, 12:51:42 AM
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Hi all
I have a small vase similar to this perfume bottle and had it id'd as probably designed by Metalak. Just want to see if this one is from the same factory and maybe a name of the designer.
It is 6" 160mm high and weighs 15oz 420g. I have attached a photo of my other vase for comparison purposes.
Sorry about the spelling I am too lazy to go looking for the original description of the vase that is buried somewhere in my files.
regards
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Harrtil Merletto:
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:rMORux_cGy0J:www.modernistglass.com/glasspieces/view/1932+Harrtil&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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Ardy:
I'm not sure what you're asking to be id'd here. Both pieces are Harrtil by Harrachov. The perfume bottle shape I've never seen before, but the colour combination is one used in Harrtil a fair bit. The other vase is a more common design. However, according to Mark Hill, vases in Harrtil are less common than the ashtrays and bowls/ Hill also says that a number of people designed Harrtil with Milos Pulpitel designing the actual fabric that was put in the pieces. I've got a few Harrtil pieces and I would guess there were a few designers as the quality of the designs vary quite a bit.
David
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Two ladies working together Stahlíková Maria - Velísková Milena should be also taken into acount - approx. 1957. At that time "Harrtil! was writen as "Hartyl" :-)
Jindrich
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Hi David
I only have the one other piece of Harttil ie the vase shown, so I was just checking to make sure they were both the same. It is also interesting to get an idea about who might have designed it.
Jindrich - were these two women glass designers or an alternative to David's suggestion about who designed the fabric that was used?
thanks to both of you, very interesting.
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Stahlíková Maria - Velísková Milena
Very definitely female glass designers of the highest order.
What few people have taken on board is that the Harrach'ov factory was not alone in producing items using this technique. It is alleged that Ludvika Smrckova worked with this technique, at the Chribska works.
Personally, I own, notice (not, have allegedly been bought, or had donated... or other such, snide comments) a fine example, denied by Harrach'ov, but very probably, Chribska production, Smrckova. Does this make it Chribtyl???? Valuable??? ;D ;D ;D
Or worthless, on the basis of uninformed comment, and speculation?????
M
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Stahlíková Maria - Velísková Milena
What few people have taken on board is that the Harrach'ov factory was not alone in producing items using this technique. It is alleged that Ludvika Smrckova worked with this technique, at the Chribska works.
Personally, I own, a fine example, denied by Harrach'ov, but very probably, Chribska production, Smrckova. Does this make it Chribtyl???? Valuable??? ;D ;D ;D
Or worthless, on the basis of uninformed comment, and speculation?????
M
I suspect it is like most glass, it is only worth something if it is rare, made by a master or the herd has decided that it is the 'thing' to have. I prefer the 'master' bit but unfortunately my pocket can rarely fill the required bucket.
thanks for some very interesting insights/knowledge.
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My approximationaly guess is based on pictures and infos from Glasrevue 1958/12.
I have no serious backrounds for any attribution.
Jindrich
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Jindrich - you are most probably doing better than 95% of us plebs.
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Jindrich/Marcus:
An aside. Did Harrachov make wine glasses? I have three sherry glasses with the Harrtil fabric in them.
David
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Ardy,
there are some issues that are fascinating.
Man from very far Australia knows much more about our glass that my neighbour. Great. Thank you.
I suppose that we Czechs will never be able to thank Mr. Marcus Newhall and Mr. Mark Hill properly for the popularisation oc Czech glass. They will not get any horse rider's statue at Wenceslas sqaure, but they shoud be appreciated with small dwart one in Knizak's gallery. ;D
Stop joking, Newhall and Hill - two English man are teaching Czechs about their glass treausures? And finaly the man from Aussie? >:J.
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Jindrich - If it was Seguso I might be able to add something but Czech glass like this piece, which I love but know almost nothing about.
You are right, the serious sklo collectors are lucky to have the M squared group (Mark and Marcus).
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Jindrich - you are most probably doing better than 95% of us plebs.
Ardy, Jindrich knows mountains about Czech glass, and that includes personally knowing some of the designers, so he is doing better than 100% of us plebs. :) Marcus, meanwhile, wrote the definitive text on Czech pressed glass. We are in esteemed company!
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with small dwart one in Knizak's gallery.
Oh Jindrich...... it would have to not exist.... or just be a thought...... after all, Knizak is merely a conceptualist :24: :24:
David,
The Harrach'ov works made many ranges of wine glasses, so it would be highly likely that Harrtil glass services were made.
M
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Thanks, Marcus. I'll go off and have a conceptual drink from one of them. On second thoughts, a Banyuls sounds better.
David
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Thanks, Marcus. I'll go off and have a conceptual drink from one of them. On second thoughts, a Banyuls sounds better.
David
OK! thats all very well David but where are the bothery pictures!!!! I want to see the pictures!!!!
Stamps foot on ground and puts on angry face. >:(
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Ardy:
Too late tonight. I'll take some pictures of the more interesting ones tomorrow (or Thursday; I've made promises about tomorrow).
Now stop being petulant.
David
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Ardy:
It's a terrible picture, but it gives you some sense of the Harrtil range. I've included a photo of the Harrtil label as it's the only one I've found. I was going to say that Harrtil is not hard to find: you simply search eBay for Seguso Merletto, but that's less true now than before. I think we can that Mark Hill for that. BTW, I don't think eBay sellers were trying to deceive as the original mistake seemed to come from Pina's '50's Glass,' where she identified a Harrtil piece as Seguso. She corrected the mistake in 'Italian Glass.' If you want a picture of any individual piece, let me know and I'll send it to you by email.
David
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David I just love the blue vase. How stunning is it? It has a look of the Poli piece but makes it's own statement.
Some great glass here. :hiclp:
I would love to see the blue vase close up and the wine glasses are very unusual so a copy of that one too. I think you can send it to me via this site but if not let me know and I will send a message with my address on it.
This stuff is quite rare in Australia and I have only seen one piece and a couple in NZ. Mind you it hasn't been high on my radar so I might be corrected by an Australian collector.
regards
Ardy
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That piece, and the ashtray with the peach lip, are my two favourites. Quite a lot of Harrtil seemed to have been imported into Canada.
Thanks for the kind words, for what I've always thought of as my guilty pleasure in glass.
David
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We see really none of this in Seattle... Or if we do, I have missed it all.....
The blue vase is outstanding.....
Craig
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That is indeed a GREAT blue vase. I'm envious.
I think it also serves to prove the point that has been made - that a number of designers did produce forms for Harrtil. I'm almost sure I've seen this vase without the inclusion of the characteristic Harrtil net, and think the form was attributed to Maria Stahlíková, Milena Velísková, or even Ludvika Smrckova, but more probably one one of the first two. I don't have my copy to hand, but if it's not in Raban's 'Modern Bohemian Glass', then it's certainly in Czech Glass Review somewhere. With a blooming great flower sticking out of the top, if memory serves me right...
I'm sure someone with a copy to hand can prove or disprove this thought...
Mark
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Ardy,
there are some issues that are fascinating.
Man from very far Australia knows much more about our glass that my neighbour. Great. Thank you.
I suppose that we Czechs will never be able to thank Mr. Marcus Newhall and Mr. Mark Hill properly for the popularisation oc Czech glass. They will not get any horse rider's statue at Wenceslas sqaure, but they shoud be appreciated with small dwart one in Knizak's gallery. ;D
Stop joking, Newhall and Hill - two English man are teaching Czechs about their glass treausures? And finaly the man from Aussie? >:J.
Jindrich - It just dawned on me that I have a friend who goes to Czechoslovakia every year or two. Is it possible to still pick up some of this glass there and where would he look. His family are from there and he speaks the language?
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That is indeed a GREAT blue vase. I'm envious.
Mark
Thank you very much, Mark. I'm tempted to put a sign on the vase, "Admired by Mark Hill," but I don't have enough friends who know anything about glass. Of course, can you ever have enough friends who know anything about glass?
I agree with you about the design as I'm sure I've seen or seen a picture of this vase without the fabric in it. I also know one of my Harrtil pieces exists as as plain glass ashtray.
David