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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on November 04, 2009, 09:01:52 PM
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I bought this bowl a while ago and thought it would be easy to identify ::) but having searched a while I haven't seen anything similar.
It was a lovely lavender colour when I saw it, and turns a steel grey in the indoor lighting.
I thought it must be Czech and perhaps ZBS but I can't find anything so far. My tape measure has gone walkabout >:D but it is about 6" across and 3 " high approximately. The base is polished flat and shiny
Any help would be much appreciated.
thanks
M
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polite bump :)
I have continued to search for the maker of this bowl and have gone through the photos Jindrich posted of the exhibition.
I came across two pieces that I thought may have looked similar to mine ^-^ - any thoughts on whether I maybe on the right track or possible leads of where to go next would be much appreciated. :)
I have posted better (I hope) pics of my bowl.
With thanks
m
http://picasaweb.google.de/Jindra8526/MagicOfGlass#5424449041634411106
http://picasaweb.google.de/Jindra8526/MagicOfGlass#5424449058051514850
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It looks simmilar but I suppose it is not Skrdlovice - Rudolf Beranek piece exhibited at Magic of Glass (pattern 6245). Here are more photoes of Skrdlovice piece.
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Hi Jindrich
Thank you very much for looking at the post and replying :)
And also the wonderful photos of the exhibition you have posted - the pieces are simply beautiful :o I wish I owned some of those :mrgreen:
I shall continue to look for other options on this bowl and see if I can find similar elsewhere.
I thought Czech because of some similarities to a vase I have and also to those two pictures. Do you think it may be a Czech piece if not Skrdlovice?
m
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I believe that piece is Czech and made in ZBS where neodymium colours had been used.
Jindrich
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Many thanks Jindrich.
I will continue to search on and off for ZBS. I'm glad I might have been on the right track in the first place. It makes me feel I have learned something from all my reading :)
m
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Just bumping this and hoping that I might be able to get an id for it as time has gone on maybe :)
Any help or thoughts much appreciated.
thank you
m
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I should have made it clear in my last post, I was wondering if anyone knew a reference for my bowl being Zelezny Brod Sklo. I wasn't quite sure if Jindrich was giving a positive id or if those were his feeling on it if you see what I mean?
Many thanks for looking
m
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A polite bump :)
I've still not managed to find a reference for this bowl from ZBS. Now we are 4 years on I wondered if anyone had seen the same at anywhere for a design or pattern no please?
This is not an area that I know at all.
Thanks for looking.
m
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Hi m,
are your sure it is really Neodymium glass?
There is a Skrdlovice lavender/amethyst colour (like in these pieces >> Link 1 (https://picasaweb.google.com/107330317087089352634/CzechSkrdlovice?noredirect=1#5988815304360676002), >> Link 2 (https://picasaweb.google.com/107330317087089352634/CzechSkrdlovice?noredirect=1#5756533625459244418), >> Link 3 (https://picasaweb.google.com/107330317087089352634/CzechSkrdlovice?noredirect=1#5636329596838282514)) which has a tendency to look greyish-purple under fluorescents, but never bluish like the ZBS Neodymium pieces.
And (I don't see it properly) are there two colours in it?
Do you have a pic in daylight?
It does look far more Skrdlovice than ZBS.
Will have a look through the books later...
Michael
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Hi Michael, thanks for looking :)
no, I'm no longer sure it's neodymium. But it does change colour under different lighting, not dramatically like other neodymium pieces I've had where they literally change to a completely different colour. But it definitely does go from purple to a steel grey colour. I have another piece like this, an Erik Hoglund purple vase that goes dark blue gray under different lighting. So I suspect they have something in them that transmits light differently dependent on source, even if not neodymium (i.e lilac to green/lilac to blue etc)
No not two colours in it and no pic in daylight I don't think. I'll have another search through my files to check and post one in the morning if I don't find one.
I will have to get another pic tomorrow but no I don't think it's the same pretty lavender as those links. I think it's more a purple than those.
Thanks for the links.
m
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I've got the bowl down and had another look. It's strange. I first saw it under fluorescent lighting and it looked amethyst and it is but under standard lighting it goes dark grey and appears to lose all it's amethyst. But it still doesn't change colour like other neodymium I've had where a lavender Empoli vase turned turquoise blue.
One other thing. The shape of it, the foot and the way it flares out into the bowl always reminded me of Frantisek Zemek Rhapsody bowls for some reason. So out of curiosity I've just done a search on Frantisek Zemek and found this vase from Hermanova Hut https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/159321837/sklo-union-frantisek-zemek-hermanova?ref=market
The amethyst is the same colour as this vase, rather than the blue y lavender if that helps :)
the second set of photos I posted are a good likeness to the grey it becomes
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29994.0;attach=36297;image
My camera is currently refusing to read the amethyst colour unfortunately even though it looks amethyst when I look at it. Sorry.
m
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ok,hopefully these will help a bit.
When I first saw the bowl, I think (but it's a long time ago), that it was displayed under fluorescent/longlife light bulb) so it showed as amethyst.
When I got it home under my tungsten lighting it displays as grey as per previous photos.
However, I've just now taken some pictures under LED lighting and they have actually shown it as amethyst which is the colour it looks under LED as well.
So this is as far as I can get, a pretty good representation of the amethyst colour it looks under long life and fluorescent lighting (pics now attached).
It doesn't have two colours in it although one shot I've attached in the second set of photos below shows one of the pulls as navy blue. The last shows it again taken tonight, under tungsten lighting and it's grey.
I hope these help :)
m
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see post above with pics showing the amethyst under LED.
The last one of this set shows it as grey under tungsten lighting.
Obviously if I put it out on display I will have to make sure it is under LED to show the amethyst :)
I only bought the LED lights about a year ago, long after I bought the bowl. So I've never had the bowl out because everywhere I put it, it looked grey under my tungsten lighting. Now I know I can make it look as it should. Very happy ;D
m
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I think it is Skrdlovice and not neodymium exactly. I have had at least one piece from the factory with difficult to define altering colour properties involving dramatic amethyst-smoke variation in different lighting. Your bowl looks quite a lot like a Rudolf Beranek ashtray design, maybe Rocco will find an exact match in the books.
Robert (bOBA)
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Thank you Robert - is it this one you might be thinking of?
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40346.msg239254.html#msg239254
m
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I am with Robert in thinking it has to be Skrdlovice.
PN 5464, Emanuel Beranek ashtray, 17 cm diameter would fit quite well.
Regarding the colour(s), I would really like to see a daylight pic ;D
I am reposting two of your previous images, which made me think it was probably greyish blue cased in amethyst (I think I see two slightly differently coloured layers in the foot; these most probably could not be seen in the upper part where the colours blend).
But may just be due to the artificial light...
Michael
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ok here goes :)
Daylight pics showing TWO colours on the bowl :) the foot is cased in lilac and the bowl is lavender ... I think :-\
I think it looks like the Rudolf Beranek ashtray in two colour that I linked to above. http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40346.0;attach=82653;image
But because mine is one colour it's difficult to see the trails from the pulls, but the glass thicken as the trails curve down the side of the bowl. So if it were two colour like the one I linked to, I think they would be much more visible if you see what I mean. I know that the one I've linked to has 'thicker' pulls on it so from the top they stick out whereas mine dont because they aren't as pronounced.
You can see it in the pic taken from the top. So it mine Rudolf Beranek 5464? Michael you mentioned Emanuel Beranek5464 whereas Anik said Rudolf Beranek 5464? was that just a mistake in the name please?
btw it still looks all amethyst in daylight to the naked eye, but the camera wants to show it looking navy blue with the lilac at the foot ???
m
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Ah, nice that my eye sight is still ok ;D
There are definately two (very similar) colours involved...
My digicam has the same problem when it comes to purple hues -- they always turn out much bluer than they are in reality.
Sorry, I didn't read the name properly, Anik is surely right, Rudolf Beranek, PN 5464.
Michael
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ah excellent ! finally a definite id. And I'm glad I recognised similarities with the R Beranek piece Jindrich showed in the exhibition pics so many years ago :)
Thank you Michael, Robert and Jindrich for helping.
m
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I finally found pictures showing my Skrdlovice Topaz- Amethyst. Not cased sommerso style with two colours. It is a single colour as you would expect with similar Jelinek patterns (but it is a bit of a one off really, 5.5KG). In normal light away form direct sun it is a smoky brown colour that can look near opaque. I show a picture of it lit with a lightbulb set up to make it clearer. But in some daylight, it quite often turns Amethyst. I do not know why, or if this was hard to achieve! Maybe it is linked to it being a strange size too....
Robert (bOBA)
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that is gorgeous. This one was mine - sold to a friend's husband as her birthday present :)
It was just amethyst though and I don't recall it changing colour. It was big and very heavy also but I think about half that weight.
m
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Thanks M. It is a quite different colour really. This one is topaz mainly in normal light... I will find out one day. Thanks for posting your old true Amethyst vase by the same designer, they are fantastic. This topas-amethyst one is nearly round not flat though. The usual official design weight is within 200g of 3KG, they tend to be quite specific. Really lovely things. I have a blue one with the bubbles, great pieces.I have not seen one I don't like! Nice to see your version!
Robert (bOBA)
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Gosh, my memory was good on the weight then :o
Yes I love these, but my friend fell in love with it when she saw it and so it was hard to say no when she wanted it.
Your vase sounds to be an amazing size and a great shape - what a wonderful piece Robert.
Actually the lilac on yours looks quite similar to that short inch of lilac on the foot of my bowl doesn't it?
m
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Gorgeous piece, Robert! Interesting to see a one-off piece from this Jelinek "range".
My Jelinek heart vase has a strange colour, too -- it is smokey grey, but with a hint of amethyst visible in daylight.
Michael