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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: seanduxbury on November 08, 2009, 03:46:52 PM
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Hi everyone. I hope someone can help. Does anyone recognise this glass dish (manufacturer & date). Found in the north west of england. Very heavy for its size - it measures 12 cms high x 20 cms in diameter and weighs 950 gms. The glass is very thick - approximately 1 cm. There is a delicate pink tint to the glass which according to my research points towards Sowerby however I have been told it could be either Sowerby, Bagley or Davidson c1910 as they all produced similar designs about that time. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards Sean
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/philippad2005/glassdish.jpg (http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/philippad2005/glassdish.jpg)
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Looks like Davidson Chippendale - Anne will know for sure ;) produced until the 1960's
Hil :)
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Probably relations of these,Chippendale if I remember right,Keith.
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Keith, yours looks like the Chippendale made by Ohio Flint in the early 1900s. I read the pattern was later made by Central, Jefferson, then Davidson (1930s). Beyond the handles, I don't see a lot of similarity to the vase in this thread.
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Thought they came in all shapes and sizes so I presumed they were related,I may be wrong(again!)Keith.
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It doesn't strike me as Chippendale to be honest, the handle is wrong as is the top. No idea who did make it though, sorry.
Keith's do look like Chippendale though, I have both those shapes in my Chippendale collection.
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sorry my fault for jumping in with the chippendale idea :-[
Hil :)
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Similar designs can be seen in Czech and German catalogues. Ohio glass is much less likely here in the UK.
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Showing my complete lack of knowledge/experience here - would you describe this as a dish or a vase or what?
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Sean, yours is a dish. These patterns come in a bewildering selection of shapes and sizes, so it's not always possible to know exactly what it was intended for, and of course many items were multi-functional - fruit, flowers, trifle and so on... (depending on the salesman's spiel!)
You say it's a slight pinky shade... is that more like a light lavender-pink? If so it could be slightly sun-purpled (a colour change in glass brought about by exposure to the sun.) More on sun-purpled glass here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,515.0.html
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Thanks for the link - sorry for not getting back sooner. From what I read I'm not sure if this is sun-purpled as this piece appears much more of a delicate shade - perhaps it was only in direct sunlight for a shorter length of time? I've spent ages trying to get an photo of the colour and this latest link may give you a better idea of what I mean by the pink tint esp if you look at the left handle. BTW I put 2 pieces in the background to give a better contrast - the one on the right I've identified as a piece by FIDENZA but apart from it being Italian and a copy of a SKLO design (I believe - correct me if I'm wrong) I know very little else. The 2nd piece is just a bowl that came with this piece - flower decoration - no marks - quite boring I think but if anyone does recognise it as a undiscovered masterpiece don't be afraid to correct me. Thanks for all the help.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/philippad2005/glassvase4.jpg (http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/philippad2005/glassvase4.jpg)
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Hmmm I see what you mean, on my screen it looks more salmon than lavender, so probably not sun-purpled. To pick up colours properly they need to be on a pure white background though, as the black can affect the way we see the clear/tinted piece.
The Fidenza vase has been discussed elsewhere on the board, (Search will find you the topics) but please post your other bowl as a separate topic with pics of side and base and we may be able to pin that down for you.
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They all look pink, so it must be a reflection! Sun purpling in the UK is rarely purple, more often a dirty grey, so a pinkish tint is still probably sun purpling. We just don't get enough UV here for purple and it takes many years to achieve grey! As Anne says white background and daylight...
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Finally I've managed to get outside and get a photo (against a white background). Does it help any? Ive also posted two other items that came with the same dish that need identifying (as suggested outside with white background) - all three together might give a clue to the date of this piece. On a different subject and maybe a stupid question but why is Fidenza of so little value? Looks good to me (even though it is a copy) - was it so mass produced that there are simply thousands in circulation? Thanks Sean
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/philippad2005/glassdish1.jpg (http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/philippad2005/glassdish1.jpg)
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That sure looks like sun-purpling now! In daylight against a white background it's unmistakable. Age-wise, I'd be looking at 1930s-1940s, but as to who, still no idea as many glassmakers made similar style pieces. A trawl of Pamela's catalogues on www.glas-musterbuch.de will bring up some examples made in Europe, but others came from the USA and the UK, so it's a bit suck it and see.
Re Fidenza, I've seen some of these vases too (marked Italy) and some have looked OK and others looked pretty ropey to be honest, They are mass-produced and that combined with the poor finishing I've seen on some (rough seams and base) will affect how un/desirable they are. They look great with flowers in but I'd not necessarily want to collect them as decorative pieces. :)
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Much better picture. I haven't been able to track down this pattern, though I've found several similar. The piece strikes me as an American colonial-type sugar bowl made c 1900 (give or take a decade or so). It just has the look. I could be very wrong, though, so am open to arguments.
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Hi. Should I list this on ebay? How much and how. How can I list it through GMB. I have my own listing (philippad2005) but would like to list this through GMB. Thanks Sean
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I wouldn't list it on eBay until I knew what it is. I think you would be wasting your listing fees. Give it some time. Your piece won't be a huge money earner, so there is no hurry.
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After much trailing through the catalogues (thanks for the link Anne) - I found this in the 1935 VLG. It's not exact but pretty close. What does anyone think? Thanks
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/philippad2005/glassbowl-1.jpg (http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/philippad2005/glassbowl-1.jpg)
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Good sleuthing. They do look very much alike. :)