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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Tramonto. on November 02, 2005, 11:04:05 PM
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Hi....I couldn't resist this slim bark(ish) effect vase.
http://tinypic.com/fa8yeu.jpg
It does look a bit distorted in the pic...it is actually slightly wider at the bottom than at the top. I was looking through books and the nearest I could find to it was a Baxter vase. Would anyone have any idea as to its age at least please? Thanks!
Mod: The image is gone, but you can see similar by searching on 'finger vase' at www.whitefriars.com.
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Looks like a Baxter Whitefriars finger vase to me. Age between 1970 and 1980.
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If it is Whitefriars, then the Ruby colour dates it to post-1974. It's hard to tell from the photograph, though. :(
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I'd agree that it looks like a WF finger vase. Post on www.whitefriars.com for absolute confirmation if you don't trust me :). Ground rim is right for the finger vase, pattern # 9279.
Pinkspoons, do you mean that finger vases weren't made in ruby till '74? Ruby was listed in a 1949 catalogue: http://www.whitefriars.com/colours.php. I've got quite a few ruby WF from the 40s/50s.
Cathy
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Oh, I didn't realise this design (#9729) came out before 1969, and it doesn't appear in ruby til '74... at least in the catalogues I have. (admittedly I don't have the 1949 one).
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Thanks Pinky - that answers what I was asking!
Cathy B.
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Cathy, Pat, Nic..many thanks for your responses. I wasn't really expecting it to actually be Whitefriars.
It isn't quite as tall as the others on the site though (thanks for the link). It is 5 and three-quarter inches - I hope that doesn't rule it out.
In any case, not bad for a quid.
Thanks
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Nope - 5 3/4" is indeed the correct height.
Congrats on the excellent buy! :D
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Oh, actually...
I'm confused... (easily done)
In the 1972 catalogue pattern #9729 is 5 3/4" tall...
But by 1974, when it becomes available in ruby, it's grown an inch to 6 3/4"... and seems to have changed in shape (more flared at the bottom)!
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:shock: Ohh, double confused (very easily done). Could I have a throwback? At widest it is 1 3/4" across the bottom - if that makes any difference? I'm intrigued. Thanks for the info!
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Someone who knows their onion will probably come along soon and have a simple answer!
I hope! :lol:
I'm intrigued...
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Oh! All right then!
Pattern 9729 was launched in the 1969 catalogue. It was 5.75" high and was not available in Ruby.
However! In 1970 & 1971 it was available in Ruby!!! Then for 1972 and 1973 it wasn't again! LOL!!!
In 1974, Pattern 9729 was increased in height and was again available in Ruby.
You can see how Whitefriars went bust with management like that! All adds to the magic though.
The Ruby colour in general had been available for a long time in many different pieces as one colour from at least 1940. Prior to that it was used as decoration on different colours. Ruby coloured glass was difficult to produce and the use of Gold to make the colour made it expensive! Selenium was used in later years and was cheaper.
Vidfletch
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Yay! :lol:
I was wondering when you'd fly in and solve the mystery, Vidfletch. :D
It's odd that it doesn't appear in the 1970/71 supplements, though. :?
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Super-duper stuff, thanks!!
Dare I ask....Baxter or Powell ?
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I think Baxter designed the bark range, but don't quote me on that... I can only be wrong so many times in one day! hehe
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Hi David, pinkspoons, tramonto,
David, thanks for clarifying that!
I'm just wondering whether, during those off years that they didn't appear in the catalogues, does it mean for certain that they weren't pressed, or just that they didn't get around to photographing them?
Cathy.
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In 1970 and 1971 there were only supplements to the catalogues produced. Anything new in other words. New price lists were available every year to keep up to date. The catalogues and price lists were for the trade only.
The bark range of items were all by Geoffrey Baxter. Certainly not Powell. Harry Powell died in 1922!!!
Vidfletch
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:oops: Oops, thanks for clearing up my little blunder.....I looked in a book tonight and realised I'd asked a dumb question about Powell! Does this mean that my red vase had quite a short production run then...two years? If that is short by glass standards?
Thanks for all the very helpful replies here.
Tramonto
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Two years is not short for some types of glass. Bottle design can go 50+ years or more. Paperweights weeks or months or endlessly.
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In Whitefriars terms that is quite short. Only the colour run was short the vase went on for a while.
Vidfletch :D