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Title: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Paul S. on November 24, 2009, 08:42:25 PM

slightly darkish turquoise ground, with the mainly gold enamelling.  Very cheap and poorly made, with ill fitting stopper.   But it's unusual, and I'm intrigued to know from whence it came.   Overall height is abt. 39 cms. and about 12.75 cms. wide.  I'm thinking Czechoslovakian copying Islamic/Arabian/Turkish style of decoration  -  copying an early three ring C19 decanter shape.   Snapped and unground pontil, with some wear, but not enough I don't think to put it back more than 50 - 60 years.
Eastern European anyway.    The blue is quite hard and does not move under hot soapy water, and needless to say there are definitely no 'matching nos.'   Anyone like to have a stab at attribution please, and thanks for looking.     Paul S.

Title: Re: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Andy on November 25, 2009, 04:10:53 PM

Hi Paul,
youre on the right track, its a style from Bohemia, mid to late 19th Century, and made for the
Islamic Turkish market. There are a couple of similar examples in Andy McConnells book ,
The Decanter, and also its a very similar style to one i found on the half price shelf at Oxfam
last Xmas for £3.50, i sold it to an American Purchaser and had to post to Beirut for over £200 !
I will find a photo,
Cheers
Andy
 ;)

Here we go...

Title: Re: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Andy on November 25, 2009, 04:46:45 PM

Paul,
is it clear glass under the turquoise?

Title: Re: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Paul S. on November 25, 2009, 05:09:32 PM

Thanks for the time and trouble Andy  -  and yes, it is clear under the turquiose  -  is that the answer I'm supposed to give. :)   Mine came from a charity shop also (for £3).     Must admit I thought this was just a mid C20 burgeoning tourist trade piece  -  and wud not have put it down as mid to late C19, particularly with such an ill fitting stopper (it almost flops around in the neck)  -  was the stopper in your one just a poorly fitting?   Anyone want a turquiose decanter for £200. ;)   Paul S.

Title: Re: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Andy on November 27, 2009, 02:08:57 PM

Hi Paul,
the one i sold and the one i found on ebay a few months ago, pics below,
both had ill fitting  loose stoppers, i think they are purely decorative items.
This one, is not of the same qulity as the other, which was nicely cut, although the
enamelling seems to be of a 'naieve' style.
This coating on this one is a very very thin coating of glass ,paint or enamel, i think its painted on,
maybe its similar to the blue coating on yours??
Doesnt appeal to me, but only paid a few pounds!
Cheers
Andy

Title: Re: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Cathy B on November 27, 2009, 02:33:34 PM

Paul's reminds me of Egyptian glass. http://www.egypt7000.com/colglasbot3.html

Just an avenue to pursue, may be entirely wrong.

Title: Re: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Ivo on November 27, 2009, 02:51:02 PM

Quote from: Cathy B on November 27, 2009, 02:33:34 PM

Paul's reminds me of Egyptian glass. http://www.egypt7000.com/colglasbot3.html

Just an avenue to pursue, may be entirely wrong.

The egyptian bottles are lampworked miniatures, not full size - something they forgot to mention.

Title: Re: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Cathy B on November 27, 2009, 03:07:07 PM

Ah. As you were :)

Title: Re: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Andy on December 01, 2009, 12:00:00 PM

Paul,
nice one on ebay,
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ANTIQUE-BOHEMIAN-MOSER-ENAMEL-OVERLAY-GLASS-DECANTER_W0QQitemZ200412643408QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea9864050

Title: Re: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Paul S. on December 01, 2009, 07:13:43 PM

thanks Andy  -  the real Mcoy no doubt  -  and reminds us how much copying has been done over the past 150 years, as I'm convinced mine is a cheap early to mid C20 century copy.    Sorry, I can't afford the ebay piece, bit more than my buget will allow  -  and I' a little surprised that it is described as being in very good condition despite having a crack and a couple of jewels missing.   Anyway, thanks again, very mouth watering.   Paul S.

Title: Re: possible Czechoslovakian decanter.
Post by: Andy on December 02, 2009, 05:01:56 PM

Paul,
 i think the date sound right, im not sure its too 'cheap' , its grown on me a bit!