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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: obscurities on December 14, 2009, 05:19:51 PM
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I was provided images of labels as part of a large group of images that were forwarded to me for use on a website. I came across a label on a piece of glass which is in the same shape as the Franz Welz Klostergrab label. The label reads "PéDéBé" It is on a piece of satin finish, horizontally angled, striated pink tone glass. A search on the internet revealed only a reference to an English company and showed an image of a piece of glass appearing to be Czech in origin and bearing an incredibly strong resemblance to a decor by Welz.
I am wondering if anyone can provide information on the company? The glass the label is on appears to be be Czech, and the label shape on the glass is found with not only the FWK initials, but also with "Astglas" and also "Made in Czechoslovakia". It appears the label shape is generic to a possibly Bohemian label producer in the 1920's or so.
The is no information in Ivo's book that I could find and it is the first time I have come across the name.
Can anyone shed some light on this name please.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Craig
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Hi Craig,
With the accented e's, could this be possibly a French/francophone importers label?
M
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http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350016245816&indexURL=
and Pedebe England
http://www.tijnsfifties.nl/?id=3
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Marcus, I considered that as a possibility.
Frank, The egg shape is the piece I saw, and it bears a very strong resemblance to a Welz decor with the FWK label attached. As far as the ebay seller goes, the use of the term as a decor is incorrect, as I have an image of the label on a completely different decor... Their details are, on many occasions, not the most accurate....
Although the label I am showing appears embossed, the one on the Kralik piece that you linked to appears more like the FWK label and the others I have seen with the same shape and border design.
Thanks, Craig
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Hi Craig,
I have asked a French colleague if this mark is known to them. Will let you know when they respond.
M
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Thank you very much Marcus. I appreciate the help.
Craig
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HIGHLY unlikely that it would be French :24: - I'd sooner look at Holland, Germany or Belgium.
Mod: Link removed as irrelevant to this topic
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I translated the page.... That may be a very good suggestion.....
I couldn't figure out what the ROFL was for until I read the translation....
Would put a strong doubt on a French origin.... Although I would guess whoever it was, probably did not export much into France either..... ;D
Thanks Ivo,
Craig
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Interesting though that the Dutch page gave an accent free version that presumably was a variant for the British market. Most hits on the word were Holland based too.
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There was a company selling kitchen equipment (coffee grinders and such) under the name of PéDé in the thirties, and there are many instances of brand names composed of written out acronyms in that time. And something like PéDéBé (PDB) could well be something like Peter De Bie or Paul De Booys ot Piet de Boef. Looking at PDB in Dutch will get you Praktijkdiploma Boekhouden (Practical bookkeeping) and Plaagdierbestrijding (pest control) and regional darts organisation De Peel - so no lack of options.
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Hello,
Just a few comments about the link you gave Frank.
As I scrolled down I was concerned to see something that was claimed to be WMF Ikora, when it doesn't look like anything I have seen by them (I will be happy to be corrected). My apologies, but, how reliable are the attributions here? As for the accents the page doesn't seem to have any elsewhere either.
I never seen anything like the glass in this thread being attributed to the UK in the past.
Sorry but nothing to add otherwise.
Nigel
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Hi Nigel,
I also questioned the attribution of the glass to England as they said. I also questioned a couple of other attributions.... I am sure the glass shown as PeDeBe on the site is Czech, and the egg shaped piece they show is most likely Welz...
Craig
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I don't doubt it is not English but the label name could have been adapted for exports to the UK.
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Hi,
Apologies Frank, for some reason that wasn't how I read your earlier points. Many thanks for the clarification :)
Nigel
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Ivo,
I am sure that there are are plethora of possibilities for the initials PDB, but I was actually only interested in any possibility of one that may have had something to do with glass, and none of your suggestions seemed as if they were remotely connected to the glass world. Maybe if you run across an importer with those initials from the 30's that had something, anything remotely to do with glass you could let me know.
Craig
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Hi Craig,
can´t help with the PéDéBé riddle, but here´s another version of this label
reading ´Kunstglas´. Do you think it´s a Welz piece, too?
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Hi Dirk, I am still undecided as to the attribution of your piece. I have seen the label before though. One observation on the glass is that it appears to display a characteristic that I have not been able to attribute to any other manufacturer of the region yet. The characteristic is the use of double lines in the darker vertical stripes in the decor. If you look at the image of the purple dish I posted you can see the double lines in the darker area of the purple. They are a little more difficult to see there. It can also be seen quite clearly in other pieces of Welz in larger sizes and also different colors.
I have not located a decor by another Czech house that exhibits this particular trait. I have a couple of other Welz images that I will post that show it more clearly. I would be more inclined than not to say there is a strong possibility that the piece is later Welz, but to be honest with you, I am still doing a lot of work on Welz as a side project to the website. I have uncovered some interesting things though, that will be posted on the site when it is launched publicly.... Some of it will be, at the least, quite interesting....
The first image of the pink vase is actually a vase in the Passau Welz case..... The other two pictures are Welz vases also, and the decor of the orange one bears a strikingly strong resemblance to your piece.
The problem with using the label as a pointer for attribution is that it is beginning to appear that the label itself may be a generic shape of label offered by a printer(s) of the day, and as a result is turning up in several different forms...
While I am still being a little ambiguous ;D , I hope this helps....
Craig
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Craig, many thanks for your opinion. Hope your project´s going well. I´m looking forward
to seeing your site once it´s started running. :thup: