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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => France => Topic started by: jonchellycain on December 14, 2009, 06:57:47 PM
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Hi all
another one.. I was absolutly astounded when i saw this at just £2.30 !!!!! i nearly fell over, i believe it should have a frog or something inside
Ive checked it over and so far havent found any markings. Its made with a frosted outer and and smooth inner glass, with gorgeous opalescent rim the base is slightly welled with plenty of age wear at the point it makes contact.
Inside is 3 little rests about 1/3 of the way down, and 3 more on the bottom which are in line with the others, which is why i would imagine it would have had a frog of some sorts.
It has a "raspberry" type design with foliage between the berries
Ive seen quite a few of these attributed to Jobling and so on, but i though i would see if you guys could give me an idea on who it was made by
It stands at 17.5cms tall, 17cms in diameter accross the rim and weighs almost 1.8kgs
many thanks
michelle
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What I nice piece I have one if you look very closely you may find a faint mark in the base Verlys
Roy
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thanks for that will study it again, is it in an opal shape as i thought i saw an mark early but then couldnt see it again
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Michelle
Try holding the vase up to a light as it may be very faint it should be marked inside the base not on the underside and should just read Verlys with the word France below should be in the center, although there may be examples that are not marked ?
Roy
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Barolac?
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definatly no mark inside the glass, i have seen the Verlys marks before, are they often moulded, as in part of the vase?
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There is one on listed on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Verlys-French-art-glass-vase-opalescent-blue-designs_W0QQitemZ170414621013QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ad80c155
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yep identical apart from the measurements but i have a feeling he has done them the wrong way round as mine is 6 3/4" tall and 6 1/2" across , and his is 6 1/2" tall and 6 3/4" across.
im presuming his pricing is a little on the high side (i would be over the moon if he is bang on) :thup:
thanks for that
michelle
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Mine is identical to yours and can I read Verlys France inside the base , yes IMHO there price is a little high I would say a good price would be about 25% of that so you should be extremely happy I would be
Roy
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crikey even 25% is a good whack, im more than happy :chky:
I will check again in daylight tomorrow but im 95% certain there is no mark there unfortunitly
thanks for your help
michelle
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Just found this one in the completed section of ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BEAU-VASE-VERLYS-OPALESCENT-ART-DECO-1930-DAHLIA-FLEUR_W0QQitemZ310184012303QQcmdZViewItemQQptZFR_JG_Art_Objets_XXeme?hash=item4838686a0f
Im going to have to translate it because currently i have no idea what it says ;D
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Definitely Verlys, Pattern is known as 'Les Cabochons', No.1157 in the 1937 Verlys (France) Catalogue. Pattern was also produced by Verlys of America where it is known as the 'Gems vase'. French production should have a moulded 'Verlys France' mark, US production of this shape usually has a moulded 'Verlys' mark to the interior, later examples have the typical diamond point 'Verlys' mark as well, but I wouldn't worry too much, I've seen plenty of unsigned Verlys over the years.
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thanks for that, there is an airbubble in the rim (quite noticable from the inside) so maybe if its the american later version this would have been classed as a "second" and not signed ??
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thanks for that, there is an airbubble in the rim (quite noticable from the inside) so maybe if its the american later version this would have been classed as a "second" and not signed ??
All the US opalescent versions I've handled have included the moulded mark, actually US opalescent examples are all quite early as the colourway was discontinued in 1940, the solely diamond point signed ones are usually in 'Crystal Etched' (colourless glass with partial frosting used until closure in 1951). From certain details on yours - particularly the frosting of the flowerheads, as well as the low placed lugs to support the frog - I suspect it's a French example. I don't know how strict quality control was at Verlys, however, there can be many reasons for the lack of a mark, some customers may have preferred to retail unsigned examples, also if the mould was new or the plunger was changed, the mark might not have been added straight away.
Here's a US example I had a while ago which had a moulded 'Verlys' mark and incised mark: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4331
Also, just for fun, here's Fenton's 1968 reissue of the pattern in a very vibrant orange:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4469
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thanks so much for your time and help with this one all the info is much apreciated.
On my search i did find this one, which is a Fenton green one, to my taste nowhere near as nice as the opalescent ones
michelle
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FENTON-SEA-GREEN-GEMS-VASE-VERLYS-MOULDS_W0QQitemZ300374108710QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45efb12a26
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Michelle don't forget quality control wasn't at the same level then as it is now. Most early 20th C pressed glass has flaws, some Sowerby stuff is quite appalling.
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yeah, i always accept bubbles and frit as part of the glass, and think they add character and charm, i personnally wouldnt think something was a second just becasue of a wee bubble!! but after my recent experience with the whitefriars tricorn vase ive become a little warry of airbubbles again.
thanks guys, this ones for keeps for a while (well untill i decide if im going to try at the cambridge glass fair next year anyway)
michelle
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In 1966, the Fenton Art Glass Co. bought the mould for this piece from the Holophane Glass Co. of Newark, Ohio (this firm was responsible for the Verlys of America items). We call the vase "Vessel of Gems." It is a very attractive piece, although I have heard some who don't care for it call it the "golf ball vase."
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Ive since given this a clean and taken a few better pictures and just thought i would add them just to show how beautiful this piece actually is as my earlier photos are very poor. The base shot there is a tiny bit of paint which im a bit nerveous of picking off, any good ideas on how to get it off without damaging the vase ive tried soaking it with no avail.
http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/14/37/17/66/100_4524.jpg
http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/14/37/17/66/100_4526.jpg
http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/14/37/17/66/100_4527.jpg
http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/14/37/17/66/100_4610.jpg
many thanks michelle
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Nice pix. Fingernail usually works with paint. There are others too if you look at your pictures again
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>:D
Are you another one with twitchy fingernails, just itching to get at the tiny paint spots, Christine......?
Beautiful vase. I'd completely agree Verlys, but don't know anything about the ins or outs. I've had this vase in a gorgeous rosy amber colour.
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Yeah there is quite a few little tiny spots all over it, on cheap pieces im fine with just scratching them off (quite enjoyable :thup:) but with this being a bit nicer i was a little nervous of flaking it, the bit on the bottom is quite thick... why oh why cant people use dust sheets or move things >:(.
I will give it a go tonight once little 'un is in bed.
This has to be up there with one of my favourite pieces of glass in my collection (sadly :cry: its on the move soon)
michelle
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Nail varnish remover will usually shift paint everything else fails at (including paint stripper). Soak a cotton bud in some and give it a rub.
John
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will have to go out and buy some john (im really not a girly girl i dont think ive ever had nail varnish tell a lie i did go through a bit of a black stage but think the look was half picked off black nail polish anyway so no need for remover :chky:)
thanks all
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Very good work on the Verlys attribution, but might note that Verlys of America pieces were made at the Holophane Glass Co. in Newark, Ohio. My employer, Fenton Art Glass, bought this and other Verlys of America moulds in the mid-1960s. We've made this Vessel of Gems vase in a variety of colors, and I think it looks best in transparent or opalescent glass rather than opaque. Incidentally, some folks like to call it the "golf ball" vase.
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many thanks James, ive seen a few now and definatly prefer it in the Opalescent like mine ;D
its now in the marketplace :cry:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,32335.new.html#new
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:o
Not nail polish remover, please!!!!!!! - that just spreads it into any tiny pits in any satinisation on the surface!!
Fingernails. They won't harm the glass. :thup:
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thanks sue, I sat and had a good pick last night got the big bit off the bottom, just got to get the few little tiny spots now :thup:
michelle