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Title: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: dorian_graye on December 19, 2009, 03:36:10 PM
I don't know where this comes from, but one recently sold on ebay for a fair amount of money: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310183869634&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

it's 8.5" inches tall. Anyone have any ideas?
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: Andy on December 20, 2009, 10:42:42 AM
Surely someone will recgonise this one!
I checked through  http://www.designlasi.com/index.php?lang=2
Finnish glass website, similar to Nanny Still designs, but not there.
Maybe Holmegaard or Ekenas??

Anyone know??
Andy
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on December 21, 2009, 07:20:47 AM
Karl Friedrich Glas (Friedrichs Kristal) is often a good bet for these sorts of things too
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: dirk. on December 21, 2009, 07:33:51 AM
The shape of the hoops remind me of some Friedrich vases, too. See:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,27737.0.html
But the top rim should be ground and polished not fire polished then.
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: Pinkspoons on December 21, 2009, 12:39:06 PM
Of the German factories, I think Hirschberg is more likely than Friedrich, but the thinness of the glass layers and the external colour of this vase aren't really synonymous with either factory.

My best bet is torn between Empoli although, again, the very thin casing is a worry but this cinder-toffee colour was very commonly made there, and China, where the thin casing of 'watery' white would have no problem fitting in.
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: dorian_graye on December 25, 2009, 12:39:22 AM
Hello all.  Thanks for ll of your replies.  They are very much appreciated.  I was checking out this site: http://www.glaskilian.de/Home.36.0.html?&L=1  and came across the Friedrich glass and thought it was a possibility before I got to read the suggestions in this thread.  The interior glass does strike me as odd in that it is a light blue in color.  I'd really like to see a few examples of chinese glass that has this odd shape.  Does anyone know of any japanese or chinese glass companies by name?  I really don't think it's empoli, but i'm open to being directed to some examples that might be similar.
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: robbo on December 31, 2009, 06:25:34 PM
Several years ago I sold a similar / related vase in blue, I've managed to dig out the pictures from the depths of my hard drive. It had a label from our old friends Åseda (stating Bo Borgström as designer).
The proportions look to be slightly different and mine had a ground rim, not fire polished. The interior, however, was a very pale baby blue although at the time I was unsure if this was actually the colour of the inner layer or whether it was the blue outer casing showing through a thin layer of white.

robbo
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: dorian_graye on December 31, 2009, 06:32:59 PM
That is excellent.  Thank you so much for your help!  I'd give you a big hug if I could!  :hiclp: :thup: :kissy:

May I use your photos for future reference?
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: Frank on December 31, 2009, 08:04:02 PM
Wouldn't the fire-rim preclude Åseda.
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 01, 2010, 12:09:56 PM
The brown one looks to me like an Aseda lookalike, rather than a variant
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: dorian_graye on January 01, 2010, 02:37:06 PM
It may very well be a lookalike, but I never would have thought to check out pieces by Aseda.  I wasn't aware that they made cased pieces like this.  I'll likely save an ebay search for Borgstrom and Aseda and see what pops up.  I'd be surprised if a different company used the light blue glass as the inner layer as well.  But, regardless, this makes the subject more intriguing for me.
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: Pip on January 01, 2010, 05:19:38 PM
Funnily enough Aseda and Holmegaard are amongst the first companies most tend to think of when talking about cased glass.  Be aware that Aseda cased output - especially the designs of Bo Borgstrom is EXTREMELY weighty and the white inner casing tends to be be generally very thick.  I doubt very much this is a Bo Borgstrom design for Aseda.
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: dorian_graye on January 03, 2010, 03:22:32 AM
Looks about right to me.  Judging from the photos of the labeled Borgstrom vase, the interior looks to be the same.   :hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp:
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 03, 2010, 12:05:28 PM
But the shape is not the same, just similar
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: Frank on January 03, 2010, 01:19:20 PM
As Christine emphasised, copies of designs tend not be an exact match and there will be all sorts of variation due to the working methods of the different manufacturers.
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: dorian_graye on January 03, 2010, 02:47:16 PM
Yes, much like the Moretti satinato series. I'm comfortable with this item being a variation on the same design by the same designer until I see further photographic proof to the contrary. YAY!!! :hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp:
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: Frank on January 03, 2010, 03:27:59 PM
Copies and derivatives are by their nature NOT by the same designer.
Title: Re: ID PLEASE: Scandinavian? Cased And "Hooped" Brown Vase
Post by: Cathy B on January 03, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
Dorian,  

:huh: People have ripped off other people's designs for as long as things have been made and you just can't assume objects with vague similarities will be from the same stable.