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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Otis Orlando on January 03, 2010, 01:19:45 AM
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I have been informed that this particular vase could be Murano. On the other hand I am not convinced and think it could be Peter Layton. The vase Measures approx. 22.5cm in height. Widest point measures 13.5 cm. The actual weight is 4.5kg. The vase is very heavy and just below the base you can see a patterned white tale. Unable to find one similar or the same for identification reasons. Can anyone help me. Thanks!! ::)
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Pretty vase. I googled Peter Layton and found him and his associates in London. So your vase is English art glass.
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think it could be Peter Layton. ::)
I googled Peter Layton and found him and his associates in London.
So your vase is English art glass
if you are correct in thinking that it is Peter Layton. I'm not convinced. ;)
Best to email Peter directly and ask the studio to confirm. Email on his website http://www.londonglassblowing.co.uk/
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Can we see a base picture please. Equally it could be contemporary Polish or Chinese. There's an awful lot of it about, some good, other less good.
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The glass looks similar to the vases at http://www.londonglassblowing.co.uk/frameset.html. aa knows English glass, though, so I agree writing Layton to verify would be a good first step.
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I understand why people might think it looks similar but I remain unconvinced. :)
I often think that glass is like wine. There are an awful lot of bottles of wine out there, and when poured they do look similar, but they don't always taste the same! ;D
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Adam, when I read you were not convinced, I became unconvinced as well. I couldn't find an example of Layton's work that had the spiralling cane, nor the pulled loop pattern. I associate the spiralling cane with the Orient. It would be interesting to hear from Layton about the vase.
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I read the original message again. I originally thought it said the vase was signed by Layton. I see now that I read wrong. As said before, the spiralling cane makes me think of the Orient. I would expect Layton to sign their work.
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more than likely not a Layton piece. However, just to mention not all Layton pieces are signed. - Havent seen a Layton piece in this style before.
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Hi there
im pretty certain this is a modern chinese piece, ive seen identical ones in quite a few shops now alongside the ones on the big thick clear plinth bases and the "sculptural" ones on the plinths. There is alot of this style cropping up at fairs at the moment too, ive now also seen a few with fairly convincing age wear to the base which have been rubbed with sand paper
But i could always be wrong :)
michelle
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I am still no closer to finding out more about this particular piece. It is very beautiful and surely there should be a duplicate somewhere out there. A lot of work has gone into this wonderful piece and surely someone should be able to identify and provide possible leads? I have tried various sites as suggest to no avail.
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I have seen very similar pieces to this for sale on Ebay in Oz. Described as Murano in the header, and new in the description. I am sure I have seen identical ones to this, but can't find one listed just now. There is a company called Castellani which sells similar pieces, also new, described as Murano style, all hand blown , but doesn't say where, so possibly is China. I know they also sell in the UK. look at this one currently for sale on ebay uk item 140367830761 http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CASTELLANI-GLASS-WARE-MURANO-ART-RETRO-CRYSTAL-HVY-VASE_W0QQitemZ140367830761QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Home_Garden_Decorative_Accents_LE?hash=item20ae931ee9 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CASTELLANI-GLASS-WARE-MURANO-ART-RETRO-CRYSTAL-HVY-VASE_W0QQitemZ140367830761QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Home_Garden_Decorative_Accents_LE?hash=item20ae931ee9)
Still a lovely item though - Jak , West Oz
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As requested earlier by another member, an image of the underside is always helpful in a post if you would like the best chance of having an object identified....
Craig
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Hi! Jak, I have looked at the site provided and I do see what you mean. There is a possibility than my particular vase was made in China, however, until I find one the same I will still keep looking. Surely there would not make only one, they must be duplicate somewhere?
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Thanks Craig for the reminder. Pictures attached as per request.
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I do not know who it is, but the polished base with what appears to be a reasonable amount of age wear would lead me away from the orient....
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I have looked at various sites suggested and similar vases. None of them have the spiral effect cane. The vase weighs 4.5kg. This is very heavy and I just cant find one similar, especially paying attention to the style and detail. I have tried various sites to no avail. It should be noted that I have include additional pics. as per request. I have a bad habit of picking something that I am unable to trace it's origin. Mmmmmmmmmmmm!
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Hi Otis,
you find some lovely glass, ive got some that ive been trying to identify for years, then , one day ,
you get lucky and find out!
This one is a stunning piece, my thought was China, but as Craig says, the polished base and possible
age wear looks like it maybe somewhere else.
Can i ask, did you buy it at a charity shop? an antiques market, or another kind of shop?
Also, the scratches on the base, i cannot be sure from the photo, it may be possible they have
been 'added' ? They may not be random enough.
Its hard to tell without actually handling the item .
It does look familiar, i will keep looking to see if i can think of anything else,
Cheers
Andy
:D
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That spiralling cane always sends me looking in the direction of Beranek first.
(Polish)
http://www.beranekglass.com/catalogue/default.aspx?lang=EN
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:o :o Sue you'll get into trouble, Beranek, Skrdlovice Czech republic!
Although , Eastern europe , i think , maybe a Polish company , is a possibility.
ps, i dont get the feeling its a Beranek piece (dont know why ::))
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Hi! Andy, Thanks for your comments. The vase was purchased from an Antique Fair. This does not mean in any way that this particular piece is old,however, I have checked the base thoroughly and there does not appear to be any consistency with the previous suggestions that it may be intentionally marked. The base looks normal within common wear and tear. I have other vases and bowls that are of age and they too show similar markings. I have as suggested sent information to a glass company that specializes in Peter Laytons Glass. I have not had a reply as yet. I would very much like to put a label on this particular piece. The top rim of the vase is curved and the thickness overall is approx. 2cm. The vase looks cased. As stated before, it is heavy and everyone I know who has seen the vase would like to be the owner of such a wonderful piece. Even though it is an excellent piece, it is not part of the collection I want to retain. I am certainly pulling at straws now and want give up till I have found the answer. Once again, many thanks! :) for your comments and good luck with your search. :)
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Sincere apologies, Otis and Andy, and any Czech master I may have offended. I'm afraid I haven't managed to catch up with all the new info. on Czech work - I'm way behind on all this stuff - and I'm not too bright at the moment.
In my head I was of the belief that many Beranek designs can be traced back to origins with Roubickova and Roubicek.
I happen to like Beranek a lot, though I do think the underlying designs in this particular piece are rather more complex.
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Hi! Sue, No need to apologise. We are all in the same boat and may make sudden judgements. I have just been on the site you have suggested and there were quite some interesting pieces though. I just wish I could find some info. on this particular vase. I have spent a lot of accumilative hours on this piece and still not got any further. :24: :24:
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Hi! all, Just to inform you, that I have contacted Peter Layton Via. email in order to obtain further info. and possible purchase of one the same.. Reply received today From: Peter Layton (info AT londonglassblowing.co.uk)
Sent: 20 January 2010 11:04:21 )The message received, request the original piece, were two copies would be duplicated and I would have the option of choosing one at a price between 4/5. Peter Layton also states that this particular piece is not one of their designs, however, it is clear that they have shown an interest in this particular piece. At present my main concern is to find the originator of this vase and I am sure having difficulty in stamping a label on it. ::) I am beginning to wonder if this is just a one off! It is such a wonderful vase and it does not do it justice that no information can be obtained. I am certainly pulling at straws now!!! :huh: I would like to think that all the information I have provided regarding this vase is sufficient for identification. Mmmmmmmmmm!
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Sometimes it is years before we find an ID. The world is full of thousands of different pieces of glass...
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I am beginning to wonder if this is just a one off! It is such a wonderful vase and it does not do it justice that no information can be obtained.
I have dozens of unknown mysteries on my shelves - I'm happy to wait until more info surfaces - I don't think it's at all sensible to presume that because no information has so far been forthcoming that the piece is a one-off, rare or unusual item. Probably best, if you can, to put it on a shelf and sit tight - as Christine has already said, it can take years to identify some glass.
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... and buying some books is one way to do this.
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I might just do that! On the other hand...................there has been a lot of interest shown so have to consider my options, as it is not part of my personal collections. It is without question a beautiful vase and it is ashame that I am unable to obtain any more info. Even one similar with that sort of design on the base would help. I will have to sleep on this one :sick: Not feeling to good at the moment ::)
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Hi all, if there are any positive leads to the originator of this vase, can you please let me know. Many thanks in anticipation :thup:
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I would try and eliminate East Europe first. Romania, Poland etc.
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I will look into that. Many thanks
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Have a go looking at http://www.beranekglass.com/ as it looks as though theres a good chance of it coming from that neck of the woods.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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Otis, have seen your vases identical twin in my mums front room!!! I cant tell you where its made as hers has no marks or stickers on it, but i can tell you that it was bought only a few months ago in TK MAX, so my guess would also be Chinese, but I would add that, in her window with the light shining through it, for £20 its a nice bit of glass :thup:
David
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I've bought a fair bit of very nice Beranek from TKMaxx.
I did mention Beranek earlier. :P
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Hi Mike, I have looked at those sites and Wow! They are certainly gorgeous pieces. I have already got my eye on a few and can't wait to get my hands on them.
Hi David. I find it very hard to comprehend that your vase was brought for that amount, was that new? It is without question a most beautiful vase and yes there is every possibility that it was made by the Chinese, but I am sure someone has got their pricing wrong. My vase is modern but a lot older and was passed down. How old, I am not too sure but there is conclusive evidence of a lot of wear to the base. This maybe of course be due to the shear weight. Dragged rather than lifted. :24: Has your vase got the same spiral effect on the base? The reason why I ask, is that I have not been able to find one similar for a long time now. Could you sneakily snap some pics of your mums and post? ;). Thanks all for your info. appreciated. :thup:
Kind Regard - Chaz