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Title: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: flying free on January 13, 2010, 10:02:36 PM

I'm not sure sommerso is the correct term so if not please do correct :)
Any help on even a country of origin would be much appreciated.
The bowl is about 13cm at it's widest and 6cm high.
Many thanks
m

Title: Re: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: langhaugh on January 14, 2010, 08:02:51 AM

Looks Murano to me. Not the usual colour. Alternatively, Scandinavian. In both cases, maker indeterminate. I wouldn't call this sommerso, where I would expect a whole layer(s) of glass to be coloured. I'll come back with a better definition of nobody else chimes in.

David

Title: Re: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 14, 2010, 11:55:11 AM

Or Czech or Polish...

Title: Re: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: glassobsessed on January 14, 2010, 07:26:12 PM

My attempt at describing the technique of sommerso (Italian for submerged I understand) would be when one coloured layer of glass is surrounded (or submerged ;D) by another colour. In the photo of the bowl below the red glass is completely immersed in the amber layer and then it is all cased/covered in clear glass before being cut and polished.

Given that clear is not a colour I would guess that the bowl in question should not be described as sommerso. Likewise when an item is made of two colours of glass which fade into each other (like a lot of Czech hot worked glass) it also would not be described as sommerso, except on ebay of course.  :D

John

Title: Re: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 14, 2010, 07:41:21 PM

Sommerso doesn't have to be two colours plus clear, I think one colour plus clear or two colours is OK, but it does have to be a distinct line not a fade.

Here  (http://www.glaskilian.de/Vase-Sommerso-Murano-circa-196.43+B6YmFja1BJRD00MyZMPTEuJnByb2R1Y3RJRD05ODY3JnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTQzJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html) are some nice examples and here is an article (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1268558/the_sommerso_glass_technique.html?cat=24)

Title: Re: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: glassobsessed on January 14, 2010, 08:00:00 PM

I stand corrected. ;D

John

Title: Re: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: flying free on January 14, 2010, 08:06:02 PM

thanks for all your replies - 'fade' it shall be then  :)

Thanks also Christine for the links.  I keep coming back to Czech for origin for some reason.....but my knowledge is severely limited  ;D

I'll keep looking - eventually something will come up.
m

Title: Re: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: langhaugh on January 14, 2010, 08:48:05 PM

John and Christine:

Thanks for treading where I feared to tread: a definition of sommerso that makes sense. The link that Christine provides is fairly good but not completely accurate. It talks about Landberg and other Scandinavians producing sommerso, pieces like Landberg's Dusk series, for example. However, I don't think that type of Scandinavian design can properly be called sommerso. I'm less sure about the Coquille pieces. Perhaps the vases, but not the bowls or baskets.

Christine, when you said Czech or Polish, was there some particular feature of this bowl that suggested the two countries, or were you saying that this type of bowl has been made in many places? What made me suggest Murano first was the rim and the wear on the bottom.

David

Title: Re: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: flying free on January 14, 2010, 09:38:00 PM

Hi David

at the risk of making myself look foolish  ;D, and the caveat applies that I DO recognise the difference between this bowl and mine (and that mine does not have the finesse of the attached perhaps)

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,27955.msg152192.html#msg152192

to be honest it was this bowl that I came across that made me have another re-search for mine and then finally post.
As I say, my experience is very limited, but I do love searching and researching the glass I buy  :)

m

Title: Re: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: langhaugh on January 15, 2010, 12:29:33 AM

M:

Foolish is when you don't ask a question. I'd say the the features that made me first say Murano are the same features present in Ardy's bowl. Yours could be AVeM, Galliano Ferro, even Seguso, as they all made very similar pieces, as that's what sold at the time. I would be very reluctant to attribute a bowl like this without a label on it. First, it's difficult for me to do. Second, putting a name on the bowl changes some people's perceptions of its worth. A Seguso is worth more than a GF, which is worth more than a generic Murano label. So I tend to stay with the generic Murano.

I like these bowls, btw, and it's still possible it's something else.

David

Title: Re: sommerso?? brown and clear triangular bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 15, 2010, 07:23:19 AM

I was just saying that this sort of bowl is/has been made in many countries for many years and that they are indistinguishable, even quality wise, especially when they are so plain.

But the brown might steer me away from Murano