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Title: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 19, 2010, 02:20:19 PM: Hiya,

I found this decanter in a Sue Ryder shop last week. The design of the stopper looked familiar and it's a lovely piece, but I've not got a clue what it is.
Can anybody help, please?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/more%20glass/dec1.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/more%20glass/dec2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/more%20glass/dec3.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/more%20glass/dec6.jpg

and taken in front of the kitchen window, which shows the optic ribbing
better

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/more%20glass/dec4.jpg

and to demonstrate the optical effect even more clearly,
Muzzy kindly wandered in front of it..... and split into two bits....eeek!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/more%20glass/dec5.jpg
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: suzygpr on January 21, 2010, 06:26:53 PM: It's a lovely thing Sue, sorry I can't help ID it though. You've obviously got much better charity shops than we do around here. Well done!!

Suzy xxx ;)
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 21, 2010, 06:36:27 PM: You get good days and not-so-good days, Suzy.
You just have to persevere regularly!
Thanks! :-*
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: Pinkspoons on January 21, 2010, 07:06:57 PM: I feel like I should know this one. :huh:

I'll try to dig my books out later for a good old trawl!
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 21, 2010, 07:26:49 PM: Thanks, Nic. :-*
I've trawled my books but came up with nothing - but I feel I should know it too!
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: Pinkspoons on January 21, 2010, 08:10:53 PM: I've had a shuffle through the more obvious ones, but nothing sprang out. The colour reminds me a little of 1930s-40s Målerås Glasbruk pieces I've had in the past - sort of a reddish rauchtopaz. It's nothing concrete by any means, but it could be a starting point.
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 22, 2010, 12:09:48 PM: I don't have much in the way of Scandanavian books on glass, and had wondered if that might be the direction to go - more from the shape of the stopper than the colour. It's not an area I know much about at all. Thanks so much for taking the trouble Nic. :-*
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: Andy on January 22, 2010, 12:24:49 PM: It has an Art Deco look to it. 30s could well be the area.
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 23, 2010, 12:09:48 PM: I thought that myself, Andy, though the base does not seem to have much age-related wear - maybe it just wasn't used or moved around a lot. However, the stopper looks to be more recent in design than that (to me :spls:. )
The fit between the stopper and the neck is practically perfect, and neither have rough grinding marks, they're quite clear. On the other hand, the part where the base is joined though good, is not perfect.
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: flying free on January 23, 2010, 10:08:58 PM: had a trawl around thinking maybe the stopper would be findable, but the only stopper vaguely similar (in that it's flat, rather than round, and on looking again isn't the same as yours ::) ) was this one. It's referred to as a lollipop stopper, but I've no idea if that would help.

http://www.vmglasshouse.com/empoli/empoli-decanter-3112.htm

I don't know if Italian would be a possible though? Sorry... that's not very helpful is it?
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Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 25, 2010, 12:17:56 PM: I don't think Italian is likely, but thanks very much indeed.
I've been discussing this with my wee brother, who suggests Czech as a possibility, and I think that might be the direction to go with it.

It's the combination of the '30s style optic ribbing, with the much more modern, perhaps '60s style, stopper which has led us there. The Czechs were incredibly advanced in glass design compared to this side of the Iron Curtain, producing the sorts of things we found revolutionary in the '70s way back in the '50s.
Perhaps they would be the ones who would use this unusual combination?
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: Pinkspoons on January 25, 2010, 01:07:43 PM: I don't think the stopper is particularly 1960s - the 'bullseye' shaped stopper can be traced to before the 20th century, certainly, and the combination of a dark glass stopper attached to a clear glass shaft probably similarly so - but I know that Holmegaard were definitely using the dark top / clear shaft combination in the 1930s. I assume other Scandinavian firms were too.
Title: Re: Optic-ribed decanter with smoky base and stopper. Id?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 25, 2010, 02:34:24 PM: Thanks, Nic!
Interesting info. I'll do my best to remember that.
I don't think it has too much age to it, almost no age-related wear, (which doesn't necessarily mean too much) but I do suspect the smoky colour is more recent - it is quite an unusual purply brown.

So, absolutely no further forward at all. :thup: