Glass Message Board
Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on February 13, 2010, 07:11:53 PM
-
I only bought this because it had a label :) but my research is fast grinding to a halt.
Everything I can find on NASCO is about china rather than glass. Were or are they, a group of stores? Was this piece perhaps imported to be sold by them? The sticker doesn't state 'made in Japan' but merely 'Japan'. Height is 19.5cm
It reminds me of vases I have seen marked Alrose (Italian?). It is white interior, quite thick, then the layer of swirls then cased clear. The rim is polished.
Does anyone have any ideas on this one please?
many thanks
m
-
Know what you mean about the similarity, wondered where the Nasco ones were coming from (never seen one with a label before :clap:), only started seeing them about 1-2 years ago. They may have been around before but I had never noticed them. Also found in blue and green swirly versions.
John
-
mm, actually I should correct myself, when I said 'marked Alrose' I haven't seen them 'marked' Alrose I have only seen them attributed to Alrose. I don't think I have seen one in my searches with a label on. However this reminded me of them.
It only cost me £3 and I just thought it would be interesting to know where it was made if possible. I've never seen one before. I'll keep an eye out. It came from a very small oddity shop full of all sorts of ephemera and not much glass.
thanks for replying.
m
-
Nasco is an import/export company. Is a generic label. Your glass would be extremely newish in origin. Although thankfully you bought it for a reference source. Maybe Chinese in origin or could be Japanese. Absolutely no distinction with the labels. >:(
-
I would have said that style of label dated from the 1950s/60s. Japanese companies seem to have been big importers to the UK then but generally of products made in Japan.
-
Many thanks Kane and Christine :)
I'll continue to have a search around.
m
-
I have managed to come across this though while persuing Nasco at work for a bit of fun...i tried through google.co.jp...hoping I might get better results...sadly no!!!
http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Nasco-Purple-Glass-Vase-wGold-Trim-5621578.html
:pb:
Back to the drawing bored... :sleep:
-
Well that's definitely not Japanese, Empoli probably. I still don't think your vase is modern or Chinese, maybe Italian. A lot of the importers had/have stuff made specifically for them so we may never know the answers.
-
Thanks both :)
Kane, good find as I found no glass labelled with the Nasco label on my searches however I'm going to use a different search engine and see what that throws up.
Christine, my thoughts are my vase is definitely not Japanese as if it was I suspect it would have 'Made in Japan' on it. I do think it is older rather than more recent, and I don't think it is Chinese. That said, it's probably because I do have some cased glass that I believe is Chinese and this vase has a much more opaque thicker lining than those pieces and is a much more substantial piece of glass all round. However, I have also recently seen cased glass that I had thought was Chinese (seen quite a few of them around and about suddenly) which does have a thicker white inner lining :-\ plus as John mentioned, he has suddenly noticed these more recently.
My gut instinct when I picked it up was Italian. Then again I often play the guessing game on here just to see if I am learning anything ;D and find out I was totally wrong ::)
Note to self - next time buy something with a label which says 'made in...' if I want to research it :)
Thank you to all for your valued input and thoughts. They are much appreciated.
m
-
Over here in the UK where there was no requirement for country of origin labelling much post-war stuff from Japan and Germany was simply labelled Foreign for obvious reasons, so I wouldn't expect a Made in Japan label. There is and was a glass industry in Japan though.
-
Having now thought about it, Christine I think you are right about the 'made in' not necessarily would have been there.
Alas I had a quick look round the house and we only have two pieces definitely made in Japan, one lacquer ware and one ceramic (both presents from Japan a long time ago) and both are signed in Japanese characters but sadly no labels.
However, look what I found :)
no marks though but the pattern looks so similar don't you think?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Opaque-glass-vase-white-blue-orange-swill-design_W0QQitemZ320488280154QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Art_Glass?hash=item4a9e97105a
and then these
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pair-of-Pretty-Glass-Vases_W0QQitemZ250581001778QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Art_Glass?hash=item3a57caa632
thanks again for your interest all.
m
-
Many times I change the google country destination as the results shown can change a little or greatly. Although I only went up to page 8 or 9 on google.co.jp, as the ceramics were becoming mildly irritating LOL. Still no company information though! Maybe one day more information will come to light.
Interesting finds on the ebay search flying free! Could they be related!?
-
The second pair are certainly related. They all look nicely made and although bright lack the clumsiness of some modern Chinese. If the seller of the orange pair is being truthful then their purchase in the 60s or 70s seems likely.
-
Remembered the other day that a friend has a couple of the vases so here are some snaps.
First is a photo of the style that tends to get called Alrose, the small blue and white vase has a 'Foreign' label on the base.
The third photo is a 'Nasco' next to the similar 'Alrose' vase.
John
-
ooh lovely John - thank you for that :)
The 'Nasco' vase is remarkably similar in proportion isn't it? And it is definitely the family of mine I feel?
Christine I think the pair are a match as well, and even the blue and orange one I posted, the stripes look as though they are the same?
So... worth searching some more - I'm going to try and find an Alrose marked as Alrose.
I do like this little vase, but to be honest, I'm not keen on the shape of mine (the bowling pin shape). I do like the shape of the brown and orange pair more though.
thanks again all.
m
-
One of the thoughts I had yesterday and then forgot to post was Alrose or Elme as possibilities
-
There are a number of vases attributed to Alrose here
http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/murano_glass/alrose_glass/alroseglass_home.html
and it states at the top that some of these are in Leslie Pina's books Italian Glass Century 20 and Fifties glass.
Interesting that the bowling pin shape of mine is there as well. There are orange and white ones but none with the three colour swirls.
On the hunt for one with a label now the same shape as mine.
m
-
Remembered the other day that a friend has a couple of the vases so here are some snaps.
First is a photo of the style that tends to get called Alrose, the small blue and white vase has a 'Foreign' label on the base.
The third photo is a 'Nasco' next to the similar 'Alrose' vase.
John
If I remember correctly, the 'Foreign' label was applied to goods out of Japan after WWII. This was due to trade agreements set up after this time and foreign investment in the country. It was meant to establish what were home made goods and what was imported. Without getting into boring Economics. I believe the red labels pre date the blue ones. Tinker-Taylor posted a piece which is definitely Japanese a few months ago with a blue 'Foreign' label.
I think they stopped being used in the 70's onwards as Japan become more independent from the U.S and Europe and trade agreements changed.
No all we need is more info on Nasco!!! :huh: So your piece I am assuming is an Imported piece of glass outside of Japan and of better quality as you can see from pic 3. :hiclp:
-
Here's one in brown green and white: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MURANO-TWISTED-GLASS-GREENS-WHITES-BROWNS-29CM-T_W0QQitemZ310202655594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Art_Glass?hash=item483984e36a
-
gosh, I could have had a whole collection of them by now - should have bought the previous ones as I think they might look quite funky all together ;D
Just need to find one with a label now then I'll regret not buying them ::)
thanks John
m
-
Nah, that one's no good; the water would run out. It's certainly turning into an interesting range and one that would look good en masse.
-
Kane thank very much for your information :)
I missed that one but am going to keep an eye out now. Christine I am growing to like it and it does sit well with my multi coloured selection of cased glass so perhaps a couple more just to keep it company :o
m
-
Alrose was an importer or retailer as the stickers are also found on pottery. The stickers found on pottery have the "an alrose original made in italy" label.
-
thanks TC :)
Off to the boxes with it then until something turns up perhaps in the future.
I still think it is probably Italian, but not a shred of evidence ;D
m
-
errrh hemmm - I'm obviously going to be quite rich soon then ;D
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1960s-Dino-Martens-Glass-Art-Vase_W0QQitemZ290410462999QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Art_Glass?hash=item439dcfff17
Just a small overclaim :o or is it labelled?
-
No bids... yet. :24:
John
-
Here is the blue green colourway. (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170457877400&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
-
Now that I like! very nice.
thanks
m
-
Loving all the pieces that you have linked! Great range. Can't wait to see more pieces that show up with the Foreign label as well.
-
Interesting auction on our favourite site -
one vase with a label that reads 'Opaline' the other two with the Nasco Japan stickers - auction no 230578716419
does the 'Opaline' label look Italian?
m
-
Here's a link to the auction (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230578716419&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp2497.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D230578716419%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1).
I don't know but it's interesting that they turn up like that in America too.
John
-
The Opaline sticker does look Italian to me. See what others have to say. What an interesting combination in the one auction and all with labels!
-
It does look as though both vases on the far left and far right have the 'Opaline' sticker actually. Which indicates that one of them had both the 'Opaline' sticker and a Nasco Japan sticker if I read that correctly. You can just see the edge of the Opaline sticker on the right hand vase.
I think the Opaline sticker looks Italian as well.
-
Hi all, I missed this thread first time round, but just came across is when doing some research for these Alrose type bud vases. First things first, some eye candy:
(http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/alrose01.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/alrose01.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/alrose02.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/alrose02.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/alrose03.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/alrose03.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/alrose04.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/alrose04.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/alrose05.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/alrose05.jpg)
(http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/alrose06.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/alrose06.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/alrose07.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/alrose07.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/alrose08.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/alrose08.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/alrose09.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/alrose09.jpg)
I found the thread both interesting and confusing! I’ve always assumed these were “probably” from the same range as the larger vases + decanters we have seen with Italian labels [Link (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4261.0.html)], although the swirls go in opposite directions.
That last auction link is no longer working, but I think I found a working link, they must have been relisted:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Swirl-Glass-Bud-Vases-One-Opaline-Two-Nasco-Japan-/330625139300
So, they have a very Italian/Empoli look, and sometimes have Italian style “Opaline” labels, but they also come with Nasco “Japan” labels, as well as the one with a “Foreign” label that John posted, which would also indicate Japan. To add to that, there is a range of bowls/ashtrays in the same pattern and colours, which Anita has ID’d as being made by Kamei of Japan. Some links below of the bowls:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,39710.0.html
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,20234.0.html
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,42912.0.html
So what I’m wondering is, could these vases and bowls all be made by Kamei in Japan, in the style of Italian/Empoli glass, maybe inspired by the "Alrose" range, and given Italian style Opaline labels, and then marketed/imported to the UK and USA by Nasco?
-
Still digging, found a glass jug with the swirl pattern, with a label that reads "Kamei America Group, Inc Made in Japan":
http://www.rubylane.com/item/497664-rl00577/Kamei-Blue-White-Japanese-Art
Also found a similar shaped pottery bud vase with the same Nasco label:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NASCO-GOLD-FLEUR-DES-LIS-WHITE-VASE-W-GOLD-ACCENTS-7-1-4-T-JAPAN-W-TAG-/330632348470
As well as some pottery bowls with the Nasco mark printed on:
http://www.iaaf-treasures.com/index.php/cPath/33_224?osCsid=3618fcd37b38b2709fa501e9456e0935
-
It's looking likely at the moment Wayne, I think you are spot on with your assessment of the current 'state of play'. Though I guess there is also the possibility that they were produced without reference to the Alrose range.
John
-
Yup - it's the generic Made in Italy label.
-
Regarding the larger striped vases + decanters that we know are Italian, like the one Ivo posted...I've seen people mention a few times in various threads that they have never actually seen one labelled Alrose. Here's one I just happened to come across:
http://theendofhistoryshop.blogspot.com/2011/03/another-murano-mystery.html