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Title: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 13, 2010, 09:09:49 PM
Hi all

I am thinking Italian as I've seen similar but after recent posts and the Chinese liking to copy I'm going to stick everything in the glass section...

It's a lovely vase it has a flat polished base.

180mm High 80mm wide and my Italy album needs more glass...

Kind regards

J
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: keith on February 13, 2010, 09:53:07 PM
Pictures of the base will help,saw something similar on a site for modern Chinese stuff,but difficult to say for sure,Keith.
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 13, 2010, 09:58:39 PM
Keith

Thanks for the reply and the Chinese are certainly good...
Pictures of the base...


Kind R's

J
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 16, 2010, 06:29:56 AM
Sorry to bump, but after have a browse last night I cannot help thinking this has a Flavio Poli feel, anyone else agree and is it worth sticking this in the murano section for a while?

Kind regards

J
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 16, 2010, 07:38:29 AM
It's probably not Poli and it could be Murano or it could be Czech. The red seems a little weak for Italy. Who knows without a label.  :huh:
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 16, 2010, 10:30:53 PM
O for a label...It's a good quality piece and it has the feel of my geometric vases so that's I'm leaning towards/hoping it's Murano...
I will keep looking and for a change will try to ID a few of my pieces, with a good look around the web!

Kind R's and many thanks for the reply

J
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: jonchellycain on February 17, 2010, 09:20:46 AM
hi there
have you had your UV/blacklight lamp on it yet?, as it may have some Uranium? in it that can occasionally help
michelle
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 17, 2010, 10:14:03 AM
UV light? I am not sure how to this yet and I don't have the equipment, is there a quick method of checking?
Kind regards
J
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: jonchellycain on February 17, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
I think the only way is by using a UV/blacklight, im not 100% sure on that though.
You can pick the little tourches up for a couple of pound off of ebay well worth the investment if your gonna be collecting/dealing with glass. Ive also got a large strip light on for home but i think i paid about £20 for that so still not incredibly expensive
If there is Uranium in the glass it will glow bright green (even visable in daylight), manganese glows orange (and i think dull green?), high lead content glows a blue and sometimes white (all under UV)

michelle
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 17, 2010, 09:17:43 PM
Michelle
Many thanks and I will have a search around ebay tonight and buy one! I will let you know how I get on.
Kind R's

J
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: kane_u_pain on February 18, 2010, 04:08:33 AM
Hi Janton. Pics on a completely white background will show the colour up better. Also a pic of the red/amber sommerso section would help as well. My opinion is that it is not Chinese. Although I have been wrong before!

I would assume it wouldn't be UV reactive, although I must admit, I have not tested my red/amber sommerso pieces for this.

Please give a bit more details in the Thread Heading to. I almost overlooked a sommerso piece  :o

Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: langhaugh on February 18, 2010, 09:15:50 AM
My guess would be some unnamed Murano company, but not Poli. I think the UV light will reveal enough. I'm with Kane in thinking it's not Chinese and it doesn't look too much like Czech either.

David
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: keith on February 18, 2010, 10:06:50 AM
Found the pic' that made me think it may have been Chinese,it was just a similar shape,after trawling through sites looking for stuff my head was a little numb,excuses,Keith.
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: jonchellycain on February 18, 2010, 10:25:52 AM
kane_u_pain, it may be worth whiping your UV over them ive had quite a few pieces of Uranium Murano over the years to memory most of them with red and amber colouring
michelle
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 18, 2010, 10:52:02 PM
Hopefully better pictures, and it really did look good under a light and behind white!!!

Thanks for all your posts and without doubt a better title is required.

Warm regards

J
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: langhaugh on February 18, 2010, 11:13:50 PM
J:

Much better--and more convincing--photos. It looks pretty good to me, wherever it comes from. I'm leaning even more to Murano, still not Poli. I have a little block vase that I just bought with similar colours. I've assumed that mine is Murano.

David
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 18, 2010, 11:18:44 PM
Thanks David and taking pictures of glass can be a nightmare, got a UV light coming so that should give us more clues.
in regards to your pic, snap...(but rubbish pics again)

Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: kane_u_pain on February 19, 2010, 04:08:40 AM
kane_u_pain, it may be worth whiping your UV over them ive had quite a few pieces of Uranium Murano over the years to memory most of them with red and amber colouring
michelle

Will do michelle when I unpack the box they are in (to repack  ::) for a long haul move). I have only checked a few of my Sommero pieces for UV reaction. I am sure i did not check the red and amber pieces as i thought most likely there would be no reaction. Will be interesting when I get around to it and see what happens.  ;D

I am with David on this and tending towards Murano as well. The pics on the white background show the colour perfectly and the shape of the piece better (i love the fluid nature to it). Lovely piece, great colour and shape.

Unfortunately I can not help with a maker on this though. I have seen this shape a few times (almost bidded on one that was definitely uranium  :mrgreen:), and the ones I have seen I am almost 100% sure they might have been Murano (room for error as they were not handled).

The majority of Poli pieces are not signed (EDITED - I have never seen a signed Poli piece). Some of the Poli pieces I do have though thankfully have the SVdA label.

Just remember janton...if it is sommerso, make sure it is in the title!  :chky:

-Also, David, is there a red/pinkish tinge to the clear glass? Or just camera reflection?

...runs back to work...
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: langhaugh on February 19, 2010, 07:06:33 AM
Kane:

You're right the first time: there is an orange/pink tinge to what is usually clear glass.  The yellow glows a nice green in UV light. It's a baby vase, btw, about 5" tall.

David
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 19, 2010, 07:30:03 PM
Okay, UV torch has turned up...Is there a guide to how to set your camera up, position of the glass to UV to camera?? Sorry to ask so many questions..

Kind R's

J
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: jonchellycain on February 19, 2010, 08:30:40 PM
Hi there
not really, just shine the tourch onto the glass if the glass lights up bright green then its Uranium (other chemicals have different reactions). It can be seen in daylight but i like to do mine in the dark just for the effect  :D.
To take a picture just turn the flash off the camera and it should show up fine (sometimes a little difficult juggling light and camera so might be worth putting camera on a steady surface to take the picture
michelle
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 19, 2010, 11:08:36 PM
Hi Michelle, thanks for your time again and after setting out as below there is no Uranium or other chemicals in the vase...
I will find another piece that I do think has Uranium and test the torch out just make sure its doing its job!

Kind regards

J
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: jonchellycain on February 20, 2010, 08:32:41 PM
there is plenty of it about, when we walk around fairs my 5 year old son carries a little UV tourch so he can shine it on anything which may be Uranium (he does tend to shine it on almost everything at the moment but he is learning ;D)
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: kane_u_pain on February 21, 2010, 01:39:40 AM
Very nice David. I tend to overlook these block and facet cut sommerso pieces. I do not think I have seen one of these with a tinge in the clear glass.  :huh:
Title: Re: Red Vase ID help?
Post by: janton77 on February 21, 2010, 11:01:12 AM
My 9 year old is desperate for me to start unpacking all my glass again so he can get the torch at work...
In regards to the original piece, shall I label it Murano unknown or does it go in the dreaded unidentified section!

Kind regards and many thanks for your replies

J