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Title: this pill box
Post by: Ivo on February 19, 2010, 12:00:32 PM
walked into my life. I do not know what the metal is (I don't dare to speculate silver) and the lid is a cabuchon. The whole thing looks like India.

ehhh... Murrhine from India? Is that possible?

Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: keith on February 19, 2010, 01:25:50 PM
Had a snuff bottle some time ago similar to this one but with scroll work like your pot,it had a Chinese character on the base and if I remember right it was sold as Tibetan,not sure of Tibetan glass history(do/did they have one?)
                                                                                                       Keith.
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: jamalpa36 on February 19, 2010, 05:02:46 PM
Hi

I would say Murano. I have a similar item but earlier. My box is Franchini about 1840 and is made of silver with the twisted wire decoration.

I will publish a photo when I work out how to reduce the size.

Roy
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: casalibre on February 20, 2010, 12:18:33 AM
my opinion:
murano 1960s.
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: Frank on February 20, 2010, 01:01:41 AM
Over the years I have seen a lot of that sort of metalwork including English from 19th to early 20th century. But yes it is also produced much later in Eastern World, but also even earlier than 19th century there. So dating this piece does depend on cane work. Interior (top and bottom) and base shots would help. Is it plated after making or from plated brass and wire, or some other metal?
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: Ivo on February 20, 2010, 07:38:26 AM
I'm sorry I have no clue if the item is plated brass or low alloy or something else. The outside is oxidised black, the in- and underside are silver coloured - as one would expect.
The lid is a cabochon and the underside is matt - cut but not polished.

I hope these further pictures can pinpoint it further?

p.s. the bottom picture shows one cane in the shape of an eye. Is that a pointer?
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: casalibre on February 20, 2010, 10:09:02 AM
the canes are 1960 in my opinion,
also the kind of making the little box.
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: Ivo on February 20, 2010, 10:49:23 AM
Thank you very much - I am very happy you identified it this way  :hiclp: :hiclp:
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: jamalpa36 on February 20, 2010, 12:20:09 PM
Photos of my box

Roy
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: jamalpa36 on February 20, 2010, 12:22:00 PM
Photo
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: jamalpa36 on February 20, 2010, 12:24:10 PM
Last one
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: Frank on February 20, 2010, 12:59:35 PM
Ivo's definitely not Indian box.
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: keith on February 20, 2010, 01:50:47 PM
Tibet?plonker or what?
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: RAY on February 20, 2010, 10:44:36 PM
you can see these in all most every shop in Luxor Egypt Ivo's one not Roy's... they come from India the canes might come from china but i think they make there own... I'd say modern within the last 10yrs and come in different shapes and sizes
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: Ivo on February 21, 2010, 07:41:47 AM
Good thing I paid 40 Eurocents for it then.  :thup:
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: alpha on February 21, 2010, 03:27:49 PM
Roy (ie jamalpa36 )
Have you considerd the thought that your box is a marriage of an older piece of glass to a newer metal work box?
A.
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: jamalpa36 on February 21, 2010, 03:47:01 PM
Hi Alpha

No this had not occured to me. I have 8 Franchini items including two other unmounted glass plaques, one seal and five bottles, three of which have silver lids with the same design filigree work as my box.

I believe they are all genuine and dated correctly. I have collected them from eight different sources over the last twenty years.

If you would like further info on the items I would be pleased to help.

I also have thirty or so Venetian bottles with faces from the 1880 period.

Roy
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: jamalpa36 on February 21, 2010, 04:00:48 PM
A Typical example of the filigree lids.
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: jamalpa36 on February 21, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
Hi Alpha

Just realised this is a better example
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: alpha on February 21, 2010, 04:25:52 PM
I see what you mean Roy. I withdraw my question.
A.
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: jamalpa36 on February 21, 2010, 04:55:14 PM
Hi Alpha

Never mind, it gave me the chance to show off my goodies. >:D >:D When you see my items all together they are very similar in design.

Roy
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: Frank on February 21, 2010, 05:35:30 PM
They are super!
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: alpha on February 23, 2010, 01:42:27 AM
Roy:
How about a pictorial article for the PCA Bulletin on Scent Bottles with Murrine?

A.
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: jamalpa36 on February 23, 2010, 11:01:50 AM
Hi Apha

I think there has already been a couple of articles on these bottles.One by Larry Seman and I helped Gerry Casper?? to do one on Franchini bottles some time back.

There is very little known about these bottles and even Giovani Sarpelon who wrote the book on the early bottles only devotes one picture to these later bottles.

Roy
Title: Re: this pill box
Post by: jamalpa36 on February 23, 2010, 11:11:23 AM
Hi

This plaque would have been used on a box or as decoration

Roy