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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: Tigerchips on November 13, 2005, 11:36:17 PM
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Hi, i've just bought this 50p vase at a car boot sale today.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20821.jpg
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20832.jpg
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20833.jpg
It seems to have been used to hold flowers, it's mucky inside.
Can anybody identify this vase? Thank's. :)
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I don't think this is Blenko, but I also certainly do not think its TAT, anyone else??? Terry
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In general terms, on the subject of ruby glass:
ruby had a wave of popularity in the late fourties and fifties, and if you see quality red glass these makers jump to mind:
Whitefriar's
WMF, Germany
Reijmyre, Sweden
Murano.
In recent years most red glass was made in Poland and in Romania - usually larger decorator pieces. You often find these with a slight reheat discolorations, because it is heat sensitive.
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Ivo, you seem to use red and ruby interchangeably.
So can I deduce that the recipe is basically the same and therefore the color only changes in intensity (and accuracy of "strike") ?
Or are there reds which aren't ruby ?
I've seen some Scandi reds - Riihimaki comes to mind - which does seem a different tone to ruby...but that could be different lighting conditions in the photos or just my imagination.
For ref here is a Whitefriars Ruby Pot Belly Vase
Taken in daylight with no color correction or brightening.
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10006/PB131263.JPG)
I just compared the Pot Belly to a Whitefriars dish from circa 1940's up to the sunlight with white paper behind. The pot belly looks sparklier and a bit bighter because of the textured surface but essentially they do look the same tone as near as dammit. The dish doesnt photograph well and just looks almost black without a lot of brightening.
Note to Mike / Butchdog
Whitefriars called their red, Ruby.
I have no idea what Riihimaki or Johansfors call theirs which in any case would be in Finnish and Swedish respectively, so there's a problem of translation unless they have exactly equivalent words for both red and ruby....unless we all learn Finnish and Swedish ...... :roll:
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Riihimaki seem to have a hint of orange in it.
1) Unknown
2) Riihimaki
3) Whitefriars
4) Reijmyre
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20866.jpg
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Hey tiger is your Reijmyre oval?
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Yes, it's been squashed inwards. It's Optic ribbed as well, I think that's what they call it.
It kind of reminds me of a Whitefriars vase they did but the optic ribbing is going in a different direction. :)
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There is a ring of yellow or orange on the rim but I think this is just a fault that I sometimes see in ruby coloured glass.
I certainly wouldn't call that a fault! :shock:
The two pieces of red, or 'ruby' Scandinavian glass I have, shown in this pic, http://tinypic.com/fut4bo.jpg (sorry, I've used this pic before - still no replacement camera yet :( ) both seem to be a mixture of 'cranberry' and 'amber' and I love it! :shock: :D
Leni
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(http://tinypic.com/fut4ye.jpg)
My red bowl has now finally been identified as Reijmyre. :D :D :D
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There are two main types of commercial ruby. One, "gold ruby" uses gold as the colourant and now seems to be called cranberry. The other, "selenium ruby", coloured oddly enough by selenium, is the traffic light/car rear light type ruby. Of course, intensities of colour can vary.
The text books tell us that a copper ruby is possible but I don't think I have ever seen one.
Adam D.
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Okay, it's a non-fault. :? :)
The same non-fault can be seen at the bottom of this Whitefriars jug.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20870.jpg
Well done Ivo!
Gather round, Gather round, post all your ruby glass pictures on this Topic. :lol:
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So can Adam D. (or A. N. Other) tell us which chemical combination causes said non-fault? :?
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Red is one of those colours that is very temeprature sensitive and the change is usually towards orange and yellow would be an extreme example.
So technically it is a fault.
Very common problem in Monart reds, where the survival of purish red is quite a rarity.
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Fault, schmault, I like it! :twisted:
But I'm interested in this question: Can we really say the red / amber colour combination is definitely 'a fault' unless we know for a fact that the maker / designer did not intend it to change colour in that way? :?
I'm thinking particularly of my Scandi (is it Tamara Aladin) vase, where the 'amber' colour shows more clearly in the fullest part of the curve, and the rim and base are more red. Surely if it were a heat affected colour change the 'yellowing' of the red glass would be more obvious at the rim? Or am I on the wrong track? (Probably! :oops: I am famous for it, after all! :roll: )
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It can show anywhere
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I've got no first hand experience of gold rubies/cranberry manufacture. However the selenium types (note plural) most certainly have striking characteristics. Some blow types, I believe, are straw colour after blowing and only strike to ruby in the lehr. Note that, in my experience it is always straw > ruby, not the other way round although, of course, if cullet is remelted then we start again.
Generally a thin edge may not strike fully to ruby. That can be a fault or deliberate. In the distant past (i.e. my time), before plastics took over the job, vehicle rear light glasses often had straw coloured rims, which did not matter because they were covered by the fitting. In the early days of amber flashers we made an experimental piece shaped like a poached egg. The middle bit struck to ruby and the outside was amber - two for the price of one! It could never have gone into production as, apart from the practical difficulties, there was no hope of matching the official amber ("signal yellow", i.e. orange).
If one makes a ruby art glass article which turns out to have a yellowish edge I think a good spin doctor could sell it as deliberate! I understand Scrubbs' Cloudy Ammonia (which your grandmother might remember) started that way.
Adam D.
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Certainly the later Kügler red used in Monart. No idea wether it was too hot or too cool. I have seen examples in every step from completely red to almost completely orange. Also with the same effect showing up in different parts of the same piece. In some cases the individual grains of colour show the change only partly which proves it was one colour to start with. Not really a ruby red though. However, I was told that the enamel was not red to start with and became red after marvering and reheating.
Interestingly the red used on early surface decorated pieces was different and not used much in clear cased pieces, presumably as it lost intensity and has a slightly smokey look.
I expect that there is some difference between that type of marvered colouring and coloured batch.
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Gather round, Gather round, post all your ruby glass pictures on this Topic. :lol:
My only ruby glassware are these three vases - all Anchor Hocking...
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-147
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Anne, I've had one of them. I showed it to someone and she just said it was a Pyrex maker. These ruby vases (as far as I know) are not worth a great deal but If only she knew how much Pyrex sells for on Ebay!
link 1 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WOW-1930-Pyrex-Glass-Iron-Silver-Streak-RED-NR_W0QQitemZ6579537808QQcategoryZ13919QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
link 2 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vnt-Pyrex-Pink-Glass-Nesting-Bowls-Never-Used-In-Box_W0QQitemZ7366326687QQcategoryZ4765QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
link 3 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-PYREX-SOUPS-ON-UNITED-AIRLINES-ADVERTISING-MUG_W0QQitemZ6576823034QQcategoryZ1312QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
I'm speechless. :shock:
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The vases are worth small sums in monetary terms true, TC, but in other ways they are worth more to me. The taller of the two types of vase I have is the exact same one as my mother had when I was small and which I loved to look at for the fabulous deep rich red colour. She had (in fact still has) some of the AH ruby red goblets with the clear boopie feet which I also loved (and indeed still do). These are symbolic of my childhood and bring back happy memories.