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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Ivo on November 23, 2005, 10:01:35 AM
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Why Bohemia?
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I've seen these with Bohemia stickers.
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Hmmm, still not sure what it is, too many reflections, is it just an object or something with function?
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Hi
I picked one similar to this up at my local retro glass dealer; I didn't buy as it was all chipped at the corners. I believed it to be Czech from that sparkle their glass has, as far as use goes I was under the impression it was a paperweight c1960s / 70s.
Really nice to get one in good condition Ivo, I think most I have seen are all bashed and chipped at the corners, yours looks perfect.
A stab at maker would be Rosice under the Sklo Umbrella - but I am probably wrong and Marcus would have a better idea I am sure.
Adam P
Doesn’t belong on the GMB but I know of a Scottish company (c1960s) who did similar cubes in Perspex, I have other shaped weights in Perspex filled with bubbles or ink by ‘Midton Crafts Ltd Scotland’ – they are as heavy as glass
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Hi Ivo,
Two questions, is this crystal, rather than sodium-potash glass? Are those what appear to be dimples, cut or is this a pressed piece?
Regards,
Marcus
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pressed candlestick, I think It is soda potash but could be crystal too and it is one of the most frequently found pieces of Bohemia. The bottom is ground and pollished.
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I think its great and I've never seen one :(
I can't even be sure of what I'm looking at ....
one example of where a photo confuses more than explains.
Is it (mainly) solid ?
(except for the candle well )
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by special request
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I have one. Or rather my mother has one. It was quite a trip back in time when I saw this on the board. We have scoured the cupboards and found our cube.
Perfect condition. My parents even recall the day they bought it new. They got it at the service station on the M62 over the Pennines about 30 years ago (early 1970s). It is a multi-purpose object - candleholder one end, and wider scoop at the opposite end so that you could use it as an ashtray or a little posy vase.
It has a sticker on it in perfect condition. No words - just a motif. Photo coming as soon as we are able.
Glen
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And.....Steve has just taken a photo of the label for me and here it is.
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Glen
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Interesting....
That appears to be a Polish Eagle...... the black eagle that appears on the Czech coat of arms does not carry a chequered shield, and the Moravian eagle is chequered all over.
Regards,
Marcus
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When did the idea of dual purpose glass objects first happen, is it a 'retro' phenomenon? It is a very attractive candleash. It would look good with a floating candle in the ashtray part.
Ruth
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When did the idea of dual purpose glass objects first happen, is it a 'retro' phenomenon?
Ruth
My opinion only, but I would suggest that marketing and advertising would have been the thrust behind multiple purpose use of glass items. Advertising from the early 1900s is full of multi-use glass objects. (I haven't studied earlier periods so can't comment).
Glen
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Thanks Glen, I have not come across it prior to finding some Riihimaen 'Carmen' candleholder/vases. What other dual purpose glass are you aware of?
Ruth
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Carnival Glass (circa 1910-1930) was advertised with more "uses" than you could shake a stick at. The aim was to sell, of course. And so they offered up a myriad of uses for the items. An early marketing man's ploy.
Glen
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That's different to dual use being an integral part of the design??
R
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Our local example of design trendfollowing (this is a carefully thought out euphemism) is called Floris Meijdam who was the main designer in Leerdam after 1945. He designed oodles of production items with dual purpose use: vases that could double as ashtrays, candlesticks used as vases you name it, he drew it. The earliest multipurpose items I see in the catalogue date from 1970; the style is always formal, abstract, angular and geometric.
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Excellent pics Ivo - Thank you - all is now "clear" :)
and thanks Glen for the label.
What a mystery !
Glen wrote: My parents even recall the day they bought it new.
Isn't it funny how sometimes you remember the exact circumstances of buying a piece; not just where and when but who with and what the weather was like....all sorts of incidental details. So it's not just music or a smell but glass too can be a memory jerker!
This is the case with a surprising amount of my glass yet other pieces have appeared from no-where !!! :shock:
Ruth I always thought of retro as an adjective rather than the name of a period. The first 4 sites to come up on a google of "retro period" all disagree as to when that was ! :roll:
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Fenton has been making dual use candleholders for some time. One end holds a taper or flip it and it can hold a votive.
Peter - To my understanding retro is short for retrospective so it means a looking back at an earlier time and can reflect any previous time period. However retro is most commonly used to represent items from the Mid 20th Century or Mid-Century Modern pieces. It is another one of those terms which initially had one meaning but is morphing through common use into a totally different meaning.
But it is also used by sellers on eBay to describe anything not made yesterday that they have no clue on how to date. Or more deviously, they know it was made recently but want to be ambigious in their description. :lol:
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That's different to dual use being an integral part of the design??
R
Not necessarily (IMHO). It is a general concept that provides an impetus; a way of thinking, designing and marketing.
There are also examples of dual use being an integral part of the design, from this era and even earlier (late 1800s) in pressed glass. Examples are:
(1) sugar bowl = (2) stand for centerpiece
(1) celery vase = (2) stand for fruitbowl
(1) compote = (2) base for punch bowl
(1) candlestick = (2) top part of three piece epergne
And to Peter - I can remember the circumstances of the purchase of most of our glass. It's part of the entire "charm" for me. Even the on-line purchases are often in my memory - though not as much as the "live" purchases. I recall my first eBay purchase. It was an Australian berry bowl (Carnival Glass) in the rare "Kiwi" pattern. What a thrill that was.
Glen
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Oh yes, another one is the base to Dugan's Stork and Rushes punch set that upturns to become a vase. In fact it's often sold as a vase - called "Summer Days".
Incidentally, the dual use stemmed comports and celeries that were meant to be upturned and used as the base to impressive table centerpieces (fruit stands) fitted into bowls that had the marie moulded with a ridged U shape so as to snugly fit. This was done specifically for dual use.
Glen
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Well I never, did you ever, as the grandparents used to say. I didn't know any of all that before and also thought 'retro' was invented by today's young adults to refer to objects from their parents generation. Meaning 60's, 70's, by and large and especially anything orange coloured.
Ruth
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I must concur with Glassyone...........I thought that 'retro' referred to anything from the 60's 70's....orange purple or purpley(/sp)blue, maybe even orange and brown combined. Well, I think that I will hold on to my conception of retro.........then I will keep on feeling as young as I do now!!! :wink:
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Twenty years ago retro meant the 50's
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Who designed the Bohemia "cube"?
None other than Rudolf Jurnikl. Produced at Rudolfova Hut', designed 1965. Size 70x70x70mm. Pattern number 13216, was exhibited at Gottwaldov, 1972, catalogue number 195.
Regards,
Marcus
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Great info Marcus - many thanks - and so, does that mean the "eagle" sticker that is on my cube is Rudolfova Hut's?
Glen
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Hi Glen,
Thanks. The eagle is unlikely to be Rudolfova Hut' labelling, imho a reseller's sticker.
Regards,
Marcus
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Thanks Marcus. That's what I was "sort of" guessing at, but I needed your expertise in this specific field to confirm.
I appreciate it. Thanks again.
Glen
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But it is also used by sellers on eBay to describe anything not made yesterday that they have no clue on how to date. Or more deviously, they know it was made recently but want to be ambigious in their description. :lol:
It is of course useful to ebay sellers to try to find the buyers who also don't have any idea of what they want other than that they want something a bit "retro" ! So it is a useful key word to use in a title.
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To me the retro period is from the 60-'s to 70's. Some people even include the late 50's. However, if any item was bought during the era of Harvest Gold and Avocado Green Appliances, you can be sure your item is retro.
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Who designed the Bohemia "cube"?
None other than Rudolf Jurnikl. Produced at Rudolfova Hut', designed 1965. Size 70x70x70mm. Pattern number 13216, was exhibited at Gottwaldov, 1972, catalogue number 195.
Regards,
Marcus
And for Doctor Who fans: I spotted a Bohemia cube on the set of the latest series....
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Many images have gone from this topic, could those who had images which have vanished please add them back if you still have copies? Many thanks. :)
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I wish I could find my images for this! Vanished. But somewhere we still have the actual glass item so I'll try and locate it and take some more pics.
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Thank you Glen, that'd be super. :kissy:
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Here are two fresh photos of my Bohemia Cube.
Glen