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Title: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: Littleblackhen on May 06, 2010, 11:01:58 PM
This bowl is much more impressive in real life than it is in the photos.  It is 9 inches in diameter and 4 inches high, so fruit bowl sized, and the finish is a mother of pearl effect.

I am guessing it is art nouveau, possibly bohemian?  It is very beautiful, whatever it is.
Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: Anne on May 06, 2010, 11:55:22 PM
I think this is one of those items which would show up better if photographed against a darker background, as it's quite hard to make it out against the white. Perhaps a piece of matt black paper or card would show it off better so we can see it in all its glory. :)
Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: Littleblackhen on May 07, 2010, 12:34:12 AM
Ok, I have quickly photographed it where it is sitting in my living room, so hopefully it might show up better on these (and hopefully no one will notice how messy my living room is!)

Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: Anne on May 07, 2010, 12:52:20 AM
*Much* better, thank you. Now we can see what you have - it's lovely too... fingers crossed someone can help with more info.
Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: Littleblackhen on July 09, 2010, 06:10:47 AM
I took this to the Antiques roadshow yesterday at Chatsworth and talked with Will Farmer about it.  He felt it was probably Austrian glass, in the style of Loertz but not of the same quality, from about 1910, and he valued it at £60 - £80.

Does anyone agree with this, or disagree?

Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: Ivo on July 09, 2010, 07:21:53 AM
neither agree nor disagree but it seems both speculative and noncommittal. I could imagine it being e.g. Dugan or early 20th Murano. And I certainly do not agree with the statement that it is "not of the same quality as Loetz". That is an untenable statement.
Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: Littleblackhen on July 09, 2010, 07:40:25 AM
Hi Ivo

I am paraphrasing what he said about the quality as I couldn't remember every word because we talked about lots of items and took quite a while, so he probably didn't put it as bluntly as that, that is more my interpretation.  He probably said it had not got quite the same feel to it, or something like that.  He was a very nice guy, I was impressed with his knowledge.

Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: obscurities on July 10, 2010, 02:30:02 PM
I have a question... Is the bottom ground flat, or is it dished like a standard ground pontil?

Absolutely not Dugan, or any American company.....

Craig
Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: Littleblackhen on July 10, 2010, 03:44:37 PM
The bottom is ground completely flat.

Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: chopin-liszt on July 10, 2010, 03:46:55 PM
 :-\

And is it pink or yellow?
The first pics are pink  :-X - and it looks like something which should be avoided underwater!
I like the yellow ones, much nicer!
Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: Littleblackhen on July 10, 2010, 04:03:59 PM
It is mostly white in real life, but it has a mother of pearl irridescence so it looks different each time.  I really like it :)
Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: obscurities on July 10, 2010, 11:13:30 PM
For me, the completely flat polished bottom would preclude it from being an early piece of Czech or Bohemian glass, as flat bottoms are not really a characteristic of their production. They typically have a dished pontil mark of some sort.  I am hard pressed at the moment to think of an early example at all with a flat ground bottom from the early bohemian companies I am aware of.

It could possibly be later work, as later Czech work seems to be finished that way in some cases. Flat ground polished bottoms would also be equated with Italian glass finishing, although without handling it, it does not strike me as terribly Italian....

Wish I could be more help.

Craig



Title: Re: ID please for large art nouveau iridescent bowl. Bohemian?
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 12, 2010, 07:55:37 PM
Richardson might be an option to consider.