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Title: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 07, 2010, 01:36:08 AM
Ok my last (what is it) item post tonight....

I suppose this is New with the label on it -- and looks pretty simple, if it is the right label attached to the right item (??).  It is about 2.75 inches high and is like only 3 bubbles in it.  I could not find much about this, and also not sure IF you have this label or not in the Glass Gallery.  Let me know if you want there.  Part of the reason I bought it was for its label, and here.  What does the words mean on there?

Thanks any info on this is greatly appreciated...  :)
Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: TxSilver on May 07, 2010, 02:39:00 AM
antiquerose, I recently was told about ca' d oro. It means house of gold. I googled it a while back and found a hotel and other things about a district in Venice -- great help, I know. Charlie of Fossilfly told me that the ca' d oro technique was simply glass that was made with gold -- the glass we see so often from Murano. The technique of the pw doesn't appear ca' d oro, so I wonder if it refers to a place... or if the label was transplanted. Hope someone else can be more helpful. This is the first time I've seen the label.
Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 07, 2010, 04:24:47 AM
Thxs TxSilver.  I couldn't find much either.  Not knowing much about PW, I thought it looked rather simple with just 3 bubbles and to have a label with the name Seguso on it.  I bought it from the lady that gave me that Free bowl -- and for this PW I only paid $10.  So it is not not like a paid a great amount for this PW anyways.  But I did ask her about it and she said she had had for a few years.  Her son gave it to her.  She told me that he works for Bill Gates (@ Microsoft) and travels all over, so I assume he would have gotten this on his travels somewhere.  So this is the story I got with this PW since she liked PW.

Possibly then could be something made for a Hotel?  or A jewelry store (or goldsmith) that makes rings and things and usually have some other trinkets to sell there.

I understand it is possible it could have been *transplanted* on the PW - BUT the lady showed me a picture of her son's Wedding with Bill Gates, so I believe her.  Secondly, this label looks firmly planted on there.....like it has been there all along.  This is just my opinion. 

One thing for sure is I am glad that I bought this PW with the label -- as now we will have a label to educate ourselves with, and for the label section.....and for others to see it.

Will add to the Glass Gallery in the label section.  if you have not seen this label TxSilver, then this is an important label to go into the label section as we try to figure out the story behind it.

(Will post @ FF too) 

Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 07, 2010, 05:35:46 AM
antiquerose, I recently was told about ca' d oro. It means house of gold. I googled it a while back and found a hotel and other things about a district in Venice -- great help, I know. Charlie of Fossilfly told me that the ca' d oro technique was simply glass that was made with gold -- the glass we see so often from Murano. The technique of the pw doesn't appear ca' d oro, so I wonder if it refers to a place... or if the label was transplanted. Hope someone else can be more helpful. This is the first time I've seen the label.

Here is the link about the Hotel (??) you had mentioned:  http://www.initaly.com/agri/hotels/cadoro/cadoro.htm  It says here about the Hotel, quote:

"Each room has antique furniture, elegant Venetian upholsteries and draperies, Murano chandeliers, parquet or wall-to-wall carpet, good reading lights, desk and chair, as well as satellite TV, direct-dial telephone, wall safe and air conditioning. The bathrooms are lined with marble and feature a bathtub or glass stall shower, hair dryer, towel warmer, and toiletry set. There is no smoking allowed in the hotel."

 :o

Could these paperweight been made for this Hotel....as it sounds like it is some CLASSY Hotel with elegant Venetian furniture, Murano Chandeliers, wall safe, and bathrooms lined with marble....or as a souvenir item from the Hotel Gift Store made especially for the Hotel.

I guess that is possible.....and several different PW could be made with varying prices to sell to customers.....just a thought....but Possible.


~ ~ MAYBE these PW are an ADVERTISING PREMIUM for the Hotel/Italy/Glass making/GLASS name SEGUSO



Pics of hotel: 
http://www.initaly.com/agri/hotels/cadoro/pictshow.htm?0
http://www.initaly.com/agri/hotels/cadoro/pictshow.htm?4
http://www.initaly.com/agri/hotels/cadoro/pictshow.htm?5
http://www.initaly.com/agri/hotels/cadoro/pictshow.htm?9



Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: TxSilver on May 08, 2010, 12:50:59 AM
We're discussing the pw in another group at http://www.fossilfly.com/Forums/showthread.php?p=9181#post9181. Chances are good that the pw is made by Mario Seguso in their Ca' d'oro shop in Brazil.
Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: antiquerose123 on June 24, 2010, 12:50:02 AM
**** An UP-DATE ****

Hi - I have received an email about this item, and was directed to this link here:

http://www.novica.com/search/searchresults.cfm
http://www.novica.com/itemdetail/index.cfm?pid=126466

So I just thought that I would add this here to this Post.

Quoted from that Link above:

Seguso Family
"The artistry of the Seguso Family has been featured in Depth magazine.

Present since 1300 in the census books of Murano, Italy, today the prestigious Seguso glass-crafting family has a Brazilian branch. In 1954, Mario Seguso was invited to execute special commemorative pieces for the 400th anniversary of the city of São Paulo. Enchanted by Brazil, he decided to settle there and, in this way, to continue the family line in this country.

His intention was to produce serious, artistic work of the highest level, and become known throughout Brazil and in other countries. After years of supervising the production of artisan crystal, he assured its continuity through his sons Michel and Adriano, who carry on the Seguso Family tradition.

Since then, the Seguso Family has been recognized for the creativity and originality of their work and always are cited in news articles, award ceremonies and retrospective exhibits, with an increasing number of admirers and collectors interested in the passionate art of glass."


*****************

So I guess the mystery on this item is solved -- and a Good reference for any others that may come across this label, or wish to purchase items from that company -- or some may be sold on Ebay also. 

I will try to get that label in the gallery -- and If I forget -- Give me a nudge  ;D

 :thup: :thup:
Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: TxSilver on June 24, 2010, 03:35:15 AM
Since it is from Brazil, should it go with the Murano labels? I'm not sure which label library is best for this one.
Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: antiquerose123 on June 24, 2010, 07:50:32 PM
Since it is from Brazil, should it go with the Murano labels? I'm not sure which label library is best for this one.

Gee - not sure...

I just thought that by the quote from that link......"Present since 1300 in the census books of Murano, Italy, today the prestigious Seguso glass-crafting family has a Brazilian branch. In 1954, Mario Seguso was invited to execute special commemorative pieces for the 400th anniversary of the city of São Paulo. Enchanted by Brazil, he decided to settle there and, in this way, to continue the family line in this country."

?? The Seguso family line (from Murano)....in another country, has another Branch on the tree  --  so, I dunno. 

You guys can decide how/where it should go...  :huh:  I leave that to the Mods to decide...
Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: KevinH on June 27, 2010, 02:10:14 AM
Not sure it's a matter for the Mods to decide ;D

But it's an interesting, open question that could could make a good discussion in the Cafe forum. Perhaps, if we refer "studio items" by the maker's personal name, then the place of manufacture becomes secondary. But if an item is from a given company (or "factory"), then the place may well be the important issue. But even a single company could have branches in different countries, making the "categorization" quite muddled again (not that I can think of many such a cases right now - although Caithness Glass used to have "outlets" in both Scotland and England, so could have been an example!)
Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: KevinH on June 30, 2010, 12:55:46 AM
Mod: Summary section.

This section of the thread has been created as a summary of many comments and queries by several Board members. This was done after a contributor to the discussion later requested, for personal reasons, that their comments be removed. That action required a full review and revision of comments that were directly or indirectly related to the deleted text. Hopefully, the summary below covers all relevant main points.

The information from the Novica website, referenced earlier by “antiquerose123”, clearly showed that Mario Seguso (and sons) was of the well known Seguso family of Murano but was working in Brazil. It had also been noted, by “TxSilver” and others, that some eBay sellers have been referring to such work as “Seguso Murano” rather than “Seguso Brazil”, but that detailed listing information does usually contain some reference to the actual place of manufacture.

Several contributors to this message had lengthy discussions on whether it was reasonable or accurate to call such work “Seguso Murano”. It was stated that because Mario Seguso was part of the Seguso family of Murano he had the right, through a “Golden Book” of Murano, to call his work “Murano” even though he took up residence in Brazil from 1954. Others commented that even if a person has a proven tie to a family in a particular country, if that person works in another country, then it is misleading for their products to be sold as apparently being from the “family country”. Several Board members made the point that it would be perfectly acceptable to advertise such wares as “made in the continued tradition of Murano” (or similar wording) but it was confusing for products made in Brazil to have no main heading reference to Brazil.

Some people felt that collectors who focus on “Murano” buy items with the belief that those items have actually been made in Murano and, again, sales listings headed simply as “Seguso Murano” were, at best, misleading if the true country of origin is Brazil. Other contributors made stronger points about possible legal issues!

In a more detailed discussion, it was said that the products made by Mario Seguso had been influenced by Brazilian culture and colours. It was therefore questioned why there seemed to be little, or no, reference to this point in some of the sales listings. Other comments covered the fact that there are many glass workers around the world who have a tie to Murano, through either family lines or training etc. but they do not call their work “Murano”.

It was also confirmed that items made by Mario Seguso in Brazil are signed “Seguso Brazil”. Again, this raised further comment and question about why some sales listings did not make this clear in the main headings.

The general opinion of most Board members was that the work of Mario Seguso (and his sons) ought to be sold as “Brazilian” but with reference to “Murano working traditions”. That way, the artist’s work would clearly stand on its own merit and collectors would not be confused about where the products were made.

The final (?) words are left to “Anne” and “Antiquerose” whose original comments seem to sum things up satisfactorily.
Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: Anne on June 30, 2010, 09:23:15 PM
Rose's label belongs in the Brazil album not the Murano one. The albums relate to the physical location of manufacture not to any artistic influence, past connection or family affiliation.
Title: Re: Simple PW - Label - SEGUSO CA D'ORO
Post by: antiquerose123 on July 01, 2010, 01:59:06 AM
 :ooh: See what happens when the other side of the World is :sleep:

Me, I started this whole thing with the post of this item to identify it.  Now going through and reading the post, I too would have to agree that the name Seguso should be able to stand on its own.  Whether he lives in Brazil, USA, or Canada....it is the name, and the family ties that connect.

From the little I know about glass -- Murano is a Place, and a place where glass was made....hence its name.

Seguso is a name that *comes* from the murano glass family.  I would think no matter where one takes up business (be the cost of doing business there) that is the origin of the glass.

Chalet glass was made in Canada.....and is just that.   I would not be happy to have Chalet Glass (Canadian glass) made in Brazil either, and be referred to a Chalet.  Makes Sense for any Company....

So since I started this whole thing with the Identify of this item -- I myself WILL call it *Seguso Brazil* glass, and Yes it is made with the Murano family influence behind it -- but fact is -- it is made in Brazil

I own the piece - It is here in my home. 

I am still *honored* to have an item that is part of the Seguso Family name, even if made in Brazil.  It should be the Seguso family name -- no matter where they are -- that *should* still mean something....and they should be proud of the name wherever they are located, but call it as it is...

I would (therefore) agree that it is NOT actual Murano glass which to me means where it was made -- Murano.  Clearly it is made in the Style of, and within the branches of the Seguso Family Tree.  But I agree, it is not true Murano (from Italy) glass.

If I was an artist (which I am not  :24: :24: ) and was from that same family -- I would be Proud to be able to branch out on my own (where ever in the World) as I would already have the name to stand-behind, but I would want to be credited for MY own actual work, and My actual company -- even in Brazil.

Seguso family can be still proud that a member has branched out to a different area, and therefore should be proud to stand behind his name, and the country where he lives.  It gives credit to the country of Brazil too.

I just I am just saying - he choose to move to Brazil.  With the name Seguso, that already allows them to *ride* the coat-tails of the whole family name, and history.   BUT IF branching out away from the area of origin, one should be able to stand-up for themselves (with the name) no matter where they choose to set up company, or what country.

If Seguso moved to Canada -- I would not expect it to be called Murano glass still.  Just as many Chalet glass makers CAME from Italy, they called their Glass Chalet -- but was *designed* in the "Murano style and Influence with a known Italian family ties" but was Canadian Glass (Chalet) not Murano glass....period.  It is still only Canadian Glass -- thus the name Chalet.

So I guess what I am getting at is.......any Seguso should be Proud of their name, their history, their family history -- but should also therefore, stand-up to their location of where they are making glass.

I did not mean to start any wars -- but seems like a lively debate.

I -- the owner of this item -- can feel comfortable in saying "It is a Seguso piece, make by a newer member of the Seguso family, but made in *Brazil* -- with a style, and influence of Murano glass -- but not true Murano (Italy) glass as I have come to understand."

IMHO of what I understand, and my own opinion -- and since it is sitting in my home here, I will call it Seguso Glass made in Brazil, as to me -- that is what it is.

No hard feeling to anyone -- In fact, a very good discussion.  I think all the points were well aired, and it is what it is -- Seguso Glass made in Brazil.

I can live with that  ;) ;D :kissy:


"An Ace, is an Ace -- is an Ace................It is what it is......Seguso Glass made in Brazil."




:hug:   I still like it !!