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Title: "Fat Lava" type glass vase? with partial label - ID = Royal Artglass, Welz, Cz
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 08, 2010, 03:41:55 AM

Hi there, Please excuse the title -- but that is exactly what I have to say about this....
Mod: subject/title amended to something more meaningful that Search will find. :)


Today I went to the Thrift store to look around.  I picked this up because I thought it was a pottery piece, at least from the angle I was looking at it. Then when I looked at it again, I thought it was half pottery (top) and bottom glass.  Then I looked closer and the whole thing is Glass.  Man, did it look like pottery sitting on the shelf there - Honest !! I then noticed that the partial label shows something, then Glass.  That part I can make.  Anyone have an idea on this?  Is this considered Splatter glass, or end of Day glass?  Can anyone figure out what the label may be, or says?  

It is about 4 inches high, and 4.5 inches wide.  The top opening is about 2 inches wide, while the bottom is base is 2.5 inches wide.  There are also some *sparkles* in the Green section.

I have No clue about this, and honestly, I thought it was ceramic first -- then when I looked at the bottom I thought it was half ceramic and glass.  The lighting was not that bright in that old building.  Sure when you get it home and it the sunlight you can see the glass shine (and plus I gave it a wash too).  But when you look at that very first pic I posted here -- doesn't it almost look ceramic? There is some wear on the base -- so old?

....or is it just me (?)  Help....Any ideas, or clues on this?  

Thanks in advance

Title: Re: What the *H* is this? And Partial Label - -
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 08, 2010, 03:45:58 AM

** Another label shot.....in case I cropped that other one too much, and it is blurry.. :-\

Title: Re: What the *H* is this? And Partial Label - -
Post by: obscurities on May 08, 2010, 05:05:53 AM

Hello, I believe the label, if I am seeing it right, is the remnant of a label which would have read "Royal Artglass". It appears the last two letters on the top line are AL with the upper right portion of a Y there also....
Maybe you can confirm that.

If that is the case, the label, as far as my research has indicated, was used post WWI. Although I can not confirm it yet, my strong belief is that it is a label that may have been used by Franz Welz.  I have seen it on a hand full of pieces I believe to be Welz decors. I believe it may have been used on pieces exported to the North American market.... 

With or without a confirmation as to the house that produced it, it indicates that what you have is a piece of Czech glass ca. 1920 or so.  Nice find....

I am attaching two label images, and also a similar decor on a different piece.... The last image is the version of the Royal Artglass label, most probably the one your piece has, as I believe it to be embossed and not just printed.

Craig

Title: Re: What the *H* is this? And Partial Label - -
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 08, 2010, 05:37:05 AM

Wow - Thank you.  I believe you are right.   :hiclp: :hiclp:

The *A* in the first line of mine is just above the *GL* in which is the exact way it is on yours too.  I thought it looked a *AL* in the first word of what I could see of it.  I think you have hit the nail on the head here.  Mine also has some green colored sparkles in it (I have deleted already all the extra pics I had taken).  It only cost me $3.99.  I had to take it when it had a partial label on it and because I first thought it was a piece of pottery since it was a bit dusty and dirty from the store.  I thought also that it might be older Chinese.  I wonder how many people walked by this *little Gem* also thinking it was just a piece of pottery, or ugly, or something.

I am sure glad I got it.  Yeah, Nice find for a old blind bat..... :24: Well, not really but I sure had it up to my eye with my specks pulled down looking at it.  I even pointed this out to the cashier there - that I thought it was a piece of pottery.  I only noticed it when I walked down the isle a second time.  It never caught my eye going down the idle the first time.

Thank you very much obscurities.  I thought this was going to end up unsolved.

 :thup:

Title: Re: What the *H* is this? And Partial Label - -
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 08, 2010, 09:32:53 AM

 :clap:

Fabby find, Rose, well done :thup:  - I have to say, it does look like pottery - very collectable West German "Fat Lava" pottery, to be precise! Thanks too, to Craig, for such a good id!

Title: Re: What the *H* is this? And Partial Label - -
Post by: obscurities on May 08, 2010, 01:37:29 PM

Would it be OK with you if I copied your images for use on a website which is under construction, or, can you email me some larger pics directly from the email icon ?....

Thanks, Craig

Title: Re: What the *H* is this? And Partial Label - -
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 08, 2010, 02:04:46 PM

Someone seems to have got her eye in for "good" glass all of a sudden. Very nice and with green aventurine!!!

Title: Re: What the *H* is this? And Partial Label - -
Post by: dirk. on May 08, 2010, 02:44:25 PM

Great piece, Rose, really like it! And it just reminded me of an update I´ll have to do...  ;)

Title: Re: What the *H* is this? And Partial Label - -
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 09, 2010, 08:13:17 AM

Quote from: obscurities on May 08, 2010, 01:37:29 PM

Would it be OK with you if I copied your images for use on a website which is under construction, or, can you email me some larger pics directly from the email icon ?....

Thanks, Craig

Hi Craig -

I would be honored.  :kissy:

You can use this photos if you want to for now -- as I might take some more that are larger, and I am going to take some with both a white/Black background.  Then I can e-mail those to you later....

Please keep us (and Me) updated to the link to your website under construction, and when we can view it.  Also, a photo credit is needed to be in place I guess.

Thank you for asking me. 

I am  :o by the little unknown Dusty piece that I found.  I feel bad *swearing* at it....LOL.....saying what the *H* is this... ;D

Title: Re: What the *H* is this? And Partial Label - -
Post by: obscurities on May 09, 2010, 01:21:50 PM

If you could please email me your name and city / province so I can credit you as an image contributor.  The site will likely go public near the end of this year, and I will certainly make an announcement on the board when it does. When you contact me using the email icon I will also log your email address and send you an email when the site goes live...

Thanks, Craig

Title: Re: What the *H* is this? And Partial Label - -
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 10, 2010, 04:02:54 AM

Hi Craig -

I just sent you an email, just to make sure you get it......but I have not taken the bigger pics yet.  It was cloudy, and rainy here so wait for some sunshine to do this.

 ;D

Title: Re: "Fat Lava" type glass vase? with partial label - ID = Royal Artglass, Welz, Cz
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 11, 2010, 01:23:07 AM

Thought I would add here:  http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/manw-z.htm

Quote from above Link: 

"Welz, Franz
Klostergrab (Hrob), near Teplitz-Schönau (Teplice), Bohemia (1728 - c 1920s)
Hand-blown glass. Labels; 'F.W.K.' (for Franz Welz, Klostergrab), 'Royal Art Glass' & heraldic lion rampant"

 ;)

Title: Re: "Fat Lava" type glass vase? with partial label - ID = Royal Artglass, Welz, Cz
Post by: obscurities on May 11, 2010, 11:19:37 PM

I have confirmed that the Glasmarken Lexicon 1600-1945 lists the Royal Artglass label as a Welz label.

Craig

Title: Re: "Fat Lava" type glass vase? with partial label - ID = Royal Artglass, Welz, Cz
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 12, 2010, 04:27:54 AM

Thanks Craig -

I took some pixs today, and have to load them on the computer here (plus deleted some other old pics here).  I hope you find them OK.  I will sent them as they are without cropping them myself, as I will let you decide how you want to crop them, or how you want to show it.  I try tonight to do it, if I get lots of old other pixs deleted here too (house cleaning time on the computer).

Also, I know this is a silly question and GMB member do not like to quote any value - but how do I determine (ball-park) what it is worth.  I can not find anything comparative here on the Net -- and I have no idea what older glass like this is worth.  I also like to keep some notes here (My Bucket List) and what I have found out about my glass, so IF something happen to me :crossedFngrs: that my notes here (my own personal inventory) of what I know about the glass, and starting point value.  I would never want an executor not taking care in my stuff here, whatever it may be.  

So I never little notes too stuck in/on my stuff stating what it is -- so would you be able to give a ball-bark figure?

Also, it is confirmed this is 1920?

I am confused (also) on another thing -- is it called Fat lave glass, or is it like a splatter glass or a end of day glass.  How can one tell IF there is a difference?  Is that the correct name?  Know of any other examples?  How was this glass made?

I just have so many questions now for my little treasure -- That started out as the Ugly duckling looking like Pottery with dust and dirt on it.  I hope you do not mind.............

As for makers, how does WELZ rate among the CZECH glass makers from that era?  Thanks, but I do not know anything about this.  Remember, I thought it was a piece of pottery when I first L@@KED at it --- lol.

Thanks.

Title: Re: "Fat Lava" type glass vase? with partial label - ID = Royal Artglass, Welz, Cz
Post by: obscurities on May 12, 2010, 05:35:54 AM

I would date the piece, based on shape and decor to be ca. 1925-1930.  As far as a name for the decor, there is not really one.  On the website we will define a name for the decor, but I am not sure what it will be named yet...

Unfortunately for many of these companies there is little documentation available regarding their production.

The term that was applied "Fat Lava" is a term that was used by a member due to the appearance of the glass being similar to a style of pottery. It is not actually a Welz name, or a name for the decor....

As far as a comparison of Welz to other makers of the period, there is not a lot of information available on their production. I have taken a personal interest in identifying some of their production, as I am of the belief that much of it has been mistakenly attributed to Kralik over the years. I personally like their glass, as they used some very cool color combinations and decors which are pretty unique....  There will be a fair number of examples of their glass on the website when it launches....  I have uncovered some very interesting things in my research....

I hope this helps.....  Craig

Title: Re: "Fat Lava" type glass vase? with partial label - ID = Royal Artglass, Welz, Cz
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 12, 2010, 07:52:23 AM

Thanks Craig:

I just sent you some (small pile....LOL) so that you could pic and chose which ones will work best for you, and what you are wanting to see in the photo (certian thing ??) that I may not be aware of.  So let me know that you got them...

Quote from: obscurities on May 12, 2010, 05:35:54 AM

I would date the piece, based on shape and decor to be ca. 1925-1930.  As far as a name for the decor, there is not really one.  On the website we will define a name for the decor, but I am not sure what it will be named yet...

Do we get *to name* the decor, or styling of this?  Should we have suggestions here or do you have an personal idea for it.....Just don't name it after ME   ;D .......?  This is so funny that I *thought* it was a piece of pottery before I picked it up.  I was thinking I could post it on the PB there.  Anne would have given me the boot, I mean a  :kissy: boot......Lol.  (j/k)  So here it is now a FAT LAVA piece of glass.  Pottery name, but Glass product.

So I guess the little sucker deserves a few better pics of it than before.  Here are a couple samples shots sent to Craig.....I am not NO Professional Photographer, but I tried... :spls2:

From a $3.99 purchase at the Thrift Store to all this.....   :hiclp:

Title: Re: "Fat Lava" type glass vase? with partial label - ID = Royal Artglass, Welz, Cz
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 12, 2010, 08:40:46 AM

*** and 2 more BETTER  pics (I hope) of the little beauty.  This shot with the full vase HERE, I think is my Favorite pic as you can see the bottom rim too.  Enjoy, it deserves better pics now that we know what it is -- and also -- always for a reference here.
:thup:

Title: Re: "Fat Lava" type glass vase? with partial label - ID = Royal Artglass, Welz, Cz
Post by: antiquerose123 on July 23, 2010, 09:54:46 PM

 :hi: there:

I found another one of these on the web here.  I thought I would post a link just to show another variation of this item.  I did *contact* the seller, and advised him about he had, posted a link to this topic.....and most of all, Invited him to join this Board.   

His Czech vase:
http://www.rubylane.com/item/559187-RL00366/Unique-Squatty-End-Day-Cased

I hope he does !! 

So will watch, and Welcome him when he does !!   :thup: