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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Kez on May 25, 2010, 05:32:34 PM
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Hi, this knobbly vase is 9.5 inches high with a ground and polished pontil. It is an amber/gold colour. I have been advised on the Whitefriars site that it is not one of there's. Can anyone ID please.
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Did anyone say why it isnt W/Fs and is the colour of your picture a true likeness ? jp
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Hi JP, Yes, the height and colour is not consistent with the patterns made. In my eye, the colour in the photo is a pretty good match.
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Oh, and also the knobbles are not defined enough, kez
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It was me who says it isn't Whitefriars. The colour is not good for FLC Gold, they were not made in Amber or any similar colour. The shape and height does not conform with any of the W/f patterns ( especially in the FLC Gold range).
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Hi Emmi, also now I compare the base of this one, there is no ground ring around the pontil mark as there is with my W/Fs ones. Kez
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sorry to be thick - but what is a ground 'ring' around the pontil mark :)
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Well, what I mean is , where the piece has been ground flat at the base so it stands straight , I am only guessing that as I am no expert. kez
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So perhaps it would be good to have a photo of your base to aid identification?
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Do you mean from a different angle than photo 2 ?
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I have added two more photos to try to help with ID. The blue and streaky green are W/F pattern no. 9612, Thanks.
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I respect Emmis opinion on this , she is one of the W/Fs people that usually get it right , some of them like playing with colours so you can be deceived .
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Seeing the photo with the other two 9612's I can see how similar it is. I stand by my previous comments, but also would keep an open mind. I suppose there is a possibility it could be a "frigger", but it would not be a FLC Gold one as the colour is certainly "off". LOL! I AM at last learning that sometimes things are not so cut and dried!! :spls2: AND it would be surprising to me, if Whitefriars made this in this Amberish colour, as Amber was out of their colour range for a few years, before the introduction of the Knobbly range.
However, I did purchase a long time ago something like yours Kez, almost same shape and certainly similar colour, which turned out to be Czech, unfortunately I didn't keep the data on it (another lesson learned!)
Perhaps you could bring it to the Cambridge Glass Fair in September for a few other people to take a look - nothing beats a hands on assessment!
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Hi Emmi, strange isn't it. Can I ask what a 'frigger' is please. Also I have posted another knobbly vase on w/f isit ,if you wouldn't mind having a look at some point. I am planning to go to the glass fair, hopefully, so I will bring it along if I do. Kez
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A frigger ( in glass terms- completely different on Wikipedia!) is an item made by one of the glass workers in his own time based on, but usually not exactly, on one of the production items. There are a few "friggers" of knobblies on my blog, so you can see what I mean there. I am sure someone else has a more technical explanation of a frigger, so all other descriptions welcome!
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try here also - very interesting
http://www.glassyeye.com/glasstopics/friggers.html
Paul S.
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Thanks Paul, and this paragraph apparently applied very much to the Whitefriars workers, so I am told..........
In reality, however, most friggers were probably made by the glassblowers to sell off down the pub at the end of the shift to subsidise their wages!
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thanks - I remembered having seen this information earlier and just thought it might have been of interest. I wouldn't doubt you for a moment regarding the 'reality' of things - like all poorly paid working class artisans they needed all the help they could get. I showed a swan frigger some 6 months or so ago - stacks of wear/age - and I seem to remember Lustrousstone commenting that she thought it might have been a wfrs. frigger -- unfortuntely, no one else thought the same ;D As always, thanks for your expert help.
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In reality, however, most friggers were probably made by the glassblowers to sell off down the pub at the end of the shift to subsidise their wages!
To get the 'Old glass' effect the gather was rolled in the factory floor dust. Georgian rummers were great sellers !.
Regards,
Patrick.
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Hi Emmi , just a thank you again for yourself, Julian, Patrick and many others who took the time to look at the two knobblies I brought along to the Cambridge glass fair. I am pleased that they have now been confirmed to be Whitefriars, even though the shapes are ' unusual ' . With thanks Kez .
http://www.whitefriars.com/isit_contents.php?pageNum_Recordset4=32&ID=8671
http://www.whitefriars.com/isit_contents.php?pageNum_Recordset4=32&ID=8673
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I am also happy to be able to rescind my previous comment that it was not Whitefriars. Having seen it in the flesh, the colour is certainly FLC Gold, and which is considerably stronger than in your original photos
The consensus of opinion at Cambridge that it probably started life as a 9845 FLC Gold knobbly, but didn't get the flared rim of the catalogued pieces such as this in the photo here
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/emmismith/FLCGOLDKNOB.jpg)
I think you will also agree that your vase is closer in colour to this one than the one in your original photo?
And BTW it was nice to meet you!