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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: zidori on May 26, 2010, 09:56:03 AM
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I recently picked these up at a car boot sale thinking they were perhaps Vasart or Nazeing but cannot be sure. Can anyone please help identify the matching milk and sugar? The jug is 2.75 inches high and the bowl is 2.5 inches high.
Many thanks
Ronnie
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Seems to be the same as a small vase I have ...
Side view here (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2333)
Base view here (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2332)
I asked about this some years ago and it was thought not to be Vasart or Nazeing. ID still unknown.
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Thank you, Kevin. They do indeed look to be from the same maker - especially with the identical clear sunken pontil on the base of the bowl (and your vase).
Regards
Ronnie
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thought not to be Vasart or Nazeing. ID still unknown.
A perfect summary Kevin.
Cheers, Nigel
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I recently picked these up at a car boot sale thinking they were perhaps Vasart or Nazeing but cannot be sure. Can anyone please help identify the matching milk and sugar? The jug is 2.75 inches high and the bowl is 2.5 inches high.
Many thanks
Ronnie
Can I resurrect this topic please, as I found a jug which appears to be the same style/shape as zidori's at the top, but mine is slightly larger at 3½" tall. When I found it, it was accompanied by two other blue bowls... one is a totally different colour/appearance, so I'll post that into a separate topic, but the other is a very close match in colour and appearance to the jug. The bowl is 2¼" tall, 4" diameter across the top, and 2¼" diameter across the base. (See pics attached to this post.)
What struck me about the bowl was that it looks very much like the base of the powder pot in the trinket set shown in a Nazeing advert I have a copy of... the advert has dimensions given but the copy of the advert image I have is quite small and blurry so it's not easy to see the sizes. :(
Does anyone have a larger version of the advert please, who could check the sizes for me and see if my blue bowl might be a Nazeing trinket set bottom?
And then, given the similarity of colour/appearance, could the jug also be Nazeing? Or if neither are Nazeing, then are they probably made by the same glasshouse? And does anyone know which one?
Pics show: 1. Jug, 2. Jug base, 3. Bowl, 4. Bowl base
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Here are 2 more images showing closeups of the appearance of each piece... the circles have coloured halos round them.
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After an hour of googling I've found a larger version of the Nazeing advert (on ysartglass.com, thanks Frank) http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysartnews/Images/YS5_Nazeing5s.jpg (http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysartnews/Images/YS5_Nazeing5s.jpg) which shows the size of the powder bowl as 6½" diameter, which is bigger than the one I found, so mine's not the powder bowl base.
I also found the same piece in green on the Style & Design website listed as Nazeing candle holder: http://www.stylendesign.com/guidepages/archive/garchivemaster3.html (http://www.stylendesign.com/guidepages/archive/garchivemaster3.html)
A larger version at 10" diameter and 3" height here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WONDERFUL-1950S-NAZEING-ART-GLASS-BOWL-/160807642371?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item2570e1e503)
And a pink labelled Elwell's jug on Wayne's site here: here (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_254&products_id=4083&zenid=c73e2c6b6ccf1e89fa2c9a37850d59bf) and a green labelled Elwell's one here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nazeing-Elwells-Clouded-Green-Glass-Creamer-Labelled-/120633590103?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item1c16528157) so I'm adding them as references in case they are useful.
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We have samples of these* in our Museum labelled "Elwell" which we bought from his grand daughter who lives seven miles from the factory.
We are 90% certain that Nazeing Glass made these in different colours and sizes for sale by Major Elwell, a glass wholesale who sold on to Liberty's and Heals under his own name.
* [Anne's pieces]
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Stephen, thank you, that's very good to know, and I'd be thrilled if they are made at Nazeing as they'd be my first pieces of yours. :)
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Hello,
Whilst I am in full agreement with what Stephen has written about the post by Anne of her blue pieces, it seems to me his comments should not be applied to the original listing of a green jug and bowl.
The blue pieces that belong to Anne have all the attributes and characteristics of Elwell/Nazeing items as confirmed by the 'find' of a few years back, which was subsequently bought by Stephen.
However, it seems to me that whilst the green jug from the original posting by Ronnie (Zidori) has the shape shape as the blue one of Anne's, that is where the similarity in identies stop.
The green bowl has a fully round polished pontil, which is not characteristic of any known and documented Nazeing production, whether as their own, or made for Elwell. The colour of the green appears (and I believe from pieces that I have seen over the years) has its enamel on the surface - again, not a Nazeing, or Elwell, charcarteristic.
Therefore I believe that effectively two threads have been mixed - leading to probable confusion :(
Cheers, Nigel
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Nigel, thank you so much for commenting on these. It was because mine are so similar that I posted them into the same topic, to show how alike shape-wise the jug is even if from a different maker. That way all the info (along with links to the labelled examples elsewhere) stays together for anyone else who asks about similarly confusing pieces. I'll go through and amend the titles within the topic to reflect your comments - that way it will be a useful reference. :) [Done!]
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Nigel I have a vase in that green decor with a neat polished pontil mark ( I wouldnt' say it was completely round), and I also have two Nazeing Lattice pieces with what appears to be the same type of polished pontil mark, my green one is incredibly neat and round. The green used in both pieces appears to be incredibly similar, but difficult to tell because the lattice is green mixed with white. Happy to post pics once it's decided how the thread is going to be.
m
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Hi M I've sorted out this topic and intend to leave it as is, as it contains comparative information and references. I'd suggest you start new topics for your vase and other pieces though, please. :)
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thanks Anne - my vase has been on here before and is the same as Kev's :)
m
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I'll add some pics tomorrow in daylight, but although the green of the two (my vase like the jug and bowl that started this thread and the Nazeing lattice bowl) looks to be incredibly similar, I don't think it is.
I also think Anne's jug is different to the green jug at the start of the thread. The shape doesn't look the same and the handle is applied at a different point on the body... something about them is not quite the same.
I'll add comparison base pics of the pontil marks together on one shot as well, just for future reference.
m
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My jug's bigger too M, I was surprised at how small the green one at the top of the topic was said to be.
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sorry,I forgot to add these - pics taken in plain daylight, greens are totally different, Nazeing green has a blue green tone and my little vase has a yellow green tone
close up of Nazeing lattice bowl and green little vase the same as Kev's and the same colour and decor I think as OP's pieces.
Pic of Nazeing pontil mark as well.
Hope these help a bit if only for future reference.
m
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This one is in bright turquoise y blue crackle and I think?? looks similar to OP's jug? The sugar bowl is a different shape.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Beautiful-Antique-Victorian-Crackle-Blue-Glass-Cream-Jug-Sugar-Bowl-A629-/390585690563?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item5af0b8a9c3
m