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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Anne on June 13, 2010, 04:12:29 PM
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http://www.bethstevens.co.uk/LSA-Odile-Vase-Lime-Green.html - these look very like some seen on the board recently and id'd as Borske Sklo - are these also?
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They do look similar but the Borske Sklo versions start off with round circles which then become flatter as they get lower. If that makes any sense.
Can't say which have been identified here though because I didn't see them.
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Thanks Nemmie, that's useful to know. Hopefully this will help us determine which are and which aren't BS - and I wonder who makes those for LSA...?
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If I can shove twopennywoth in..........Looking at item 'f' on page 11 of Andy McConnell's (Miller's) 20th Century Glass, the Borske Sklo piece 'looks' typical of Borske Sklo 'Olives' pattern (and my three pieces).....insofar as the 'olives' can be felt from the outside (and they are not circular). The picture of the LSA piece shown here, doesn't have the 'olives' look, and it doesn't appear that you could feel the edges of the olives. Although I haven't handled an LSA piece - this difference might be the deciding factor. This, of course is on the assumption that it is the 'olives' pattern that the LSA piece is supposed to be.
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This is Borské sklo:
http://picasaweb.google.cz/Jindra8526/BorskeSkloOpticGlasrevue195911?authkey=Gv1sRgCImUoPXFltenPw#
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Olives does not include the circular-patterned Borske Sklo ones, which are not shown in Jindrich's catalogue or Mark's book (Nemo is a different pattern). My mother has had one forever. I'll try and photograph it at the w/e. Those LSA don't look right.
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Not sure if I am allowed to link to Ebay but if you search for Borske on Ebay UK there is a green one listed at the moment that looks genuine to me.
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o.k. then - to recap for the benefit of those of us less well informed. Both Olives and Nemo (thats the one with the enamelled colours within the olives) have this non-circular pattern that can be felt from the outside. Are we saying that the Borske Sklo (mould blown glass) circular pattern pieces - like the LSA piece shown here, do not have an external feel, and should be described technically as 'optically moulded' i.e. smooth on the outside?? I did have a quick look for a Borske Sklo piece with non-olive circles - but don't think I found one. Plenty of olives and knobblies only. In some ways this circles pattern looks a little like a large 'pea moulding. Comments please, and waiting for a picture of Christine's Mum's Circles bowl. ;D
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May have possibly answered my own question - this is a water jug from last year. No olives, so I had not really thought of Borske - however, on reflection it does look very similar to the Borske 'circles' design - is optically moulded (bumps on the inside) - nice round polished pontil scoop, and about 17 cms. tall. Colour is about right also. I was calling it 'pea moulded'.
Nemmie's quote that......"They do look similar but the Borske Sklo versions start off with round circles which then become flatter as they get lower" - may imply that the lower circles take on a slightly squashed downwards look. Appreciate that this is not a 'globe'.......but what does anyone think.
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Hi can i have a go please. I saw a Borske clear olive biscuit barrell today! How cool is that?
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May have possibly answered my own question - this is a water jug from last year. No olives, so I had not really thought of Borske - however, on reflection it does look very similar to the Borske 'circles' design - is optically moulded (bumps on the inside) - nice round polished pontil scoop, and about 17 cms. tall. Colour is about right also. I was calling it 'pea moulded'.
Nemmie's quote that......"They do look similar but the Borske Sklo versions start off with round circles which then become flatter as they get lower" - may imply that the lower circles take on a slightly squashed downwards look. Appreciate that this is not a 'globe'.......but what does anyone think.
Well the circles in that start off taller and then become more squashed but as you say that is not a globe, in the globe due to the sides being rounder the circles take on a different appearance. In the LSA piece all the circles are even there is no difference. Seems to make sense to me.
Also I have no way of knowing that your jug is Borske. Please note that although my area of interest is Czech glass I was merely offering a common sense solution which still seems to work for me although perhaps my choice of words has let me down again! :)
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hello Nemmie - apologies if you thought my words came across a little critical - nothing could have been further from my mind. :), and you certainly couldn't know less than I do about Czech glass, and I expect you know a lot more. I have probably mis-understood the difference between the 'the illusion of distortion of circles caused by being on a round object' - and genuinely distorted cirlces due to irregularities in the blowing process/weight of glass whatever.
I was hoping that Jindrich might look in perhaps.
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Yeah, Jindrich is the man when it comes to areas like this and no you didn't think you were being over critical. I am naturally grumpy.
I would photograph the ones I have but I have to borrow a camera from a friend and she is getting narked lately due to me borrowing it a little too much. ;)
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sorry, I read that a little quickly and thought you had said 'naked'... ;D
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Ok, these are Borske balls are verrry dusty. :-[ The main difference I can see from the LSA ones is that the Borske Sklo ones are more *optical*. Viewed obliquely from above or below, the circular motifs are like windows with a dark 'edge' around them. Almost making them 3D and as if the glass is thicker than it actually is.
You can feel the design slightly from the inside where the circular motif is. Whether you can feel the design on the outside is not an indicator of Borske Sklo as far as these vases go as they are all different there...some you can feel some you can't.
They'll have to be washed at some point ::sigh!::: so if you'd like better pics I can oblige at some point. :thup:
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Two more pics....
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thanks Max, I envy you these - they are very attractive :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
In my ignorance, I had thought that if you could feel an 'edge' to the perimeter of the round pattern - ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PIECE - then that indicated an Olives design. Am I completely wrong?? :)
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I had thought that if you could feel an 'edge' to the perimeter of the round pattern - ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PIECE - then that indicated an Olives design.
I'm sorry, I'm not exactly sure what you mean there? :-\ :)
You can feel a 'lip' around the circle motif on two of my four vases, particularly the turquoise one but with the greyish/brown vase there's no 'lip' or 'edge' at all.
It's easy to distinguish this design from the LSA ones purely by looking at the optical effect...so I'm quite relieved about that! :D :D
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Not sure if I am allowed to link to Ebay but if you search for Borske on Ebay UK there is a green one listed at the moment that looks genuine to me.
You're certainly allowed to link to eBay auctions, active or finished, as long as it is for comparison only and isn't your own piece.
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There seems to be a slight optical effect but nowhere near as pronounced as the Borske examples. Not on the colour that is linked to but if you look at some of the others available which is similar to some that are currently listed on Ebay as being SKLO union with an almost 100% mark up from the LSA price. :o
But I might be wrong and it's not actually for comparison so I won't post a link.