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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: keith on June 23, 2010, 01:35:36 PM
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2.5 inches across,looks very much like Strathearn,am I right?
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Hi Keith,
I think that it is an early (and unmarked) Perthshire. I think that I know where you got it from ;). I was there too... ;D
Sophie
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You also seem to have a st, st stutter! ;D
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I'd agree with your first thought...Strathern. The colors and the tooth/gum appearance of the outside canes are good clues. It's a pretty weight. I have one very similar.
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Sophie;buying or selling? I'll have to get a GMB badge,it might get me a discount ;D
Christine; :huh:over my head that one,must have missed something,
Rocksmom;it is similar to some other Strathearn pwt's I have,thanks all for looking,
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You posted it three times ;D
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Hi Keith,
I only buy, I do no selling (I find it too hard to part with my weights)!!! So no discount from me (only competition >:D)!!!
Actually did you come across an antique paperweight in the fair? It was a little worse for wear but it was old and the canes were very neat. The stall holder thought it was early whitefriars, but I believed antique French myself. Still, I thought the price too dear for the condition (not to mention my fragile finances :-\).
Hi Rocksmon,
I find it difficult to distinguish early Perthshire from Strathearn. I thought the present weight a bit too neat for Strathearn, but this is a bit flimsy, I agree. I bow to your superior cane knowledge. :pb:
SophieB
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Christine; :pb:I blame my computer,it's very old,a bit like me,
Sophie;I'm the same,couldn't part with anything,knocked over 3 glass vases on one of the outside stalls without chipping a single one,Ming,fellow GMB member was there and made a hasty departure,he thinks I'm barmy because I buy so much stuff,he has far more will power than me,eh Ming?No didn't see the pwt,missed that one.
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Hi Keith
My vote goes with Sophie - early Perthshire.
The design would be PP2 and it is pre 1978 - it will have a fire polished base.
PP2's made from 1978 onwards have a central "P" cane and a hollow ground base.
I agree its difficult to tell the two apart sometimes - not surprising when you realise
that all the Perthshire workers in the early days came from Strathearn! including
Jack Allen as head gaffer, Peter McDougall and John Deacons. So cane designs will
have crossed the road and I suspect actual canes!
The number of spokes in the medium sized Strathearns is more usually 8 whereas
the Perthshire PP2 usually has 10 or 11 spokes occasionally 9
Best regards
Derek
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Keith - I'd probably go with very early Perthshire - but without too much confidence. But it is cetainly Scottish!
Sophie - have you read 'Alphabet Soup' yet?
Alan
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Thanks Derek,Alan,Perthshire it is then,ta,
Keith.
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Hi Alan,
No, I have not read 'Alphabet soup' yet. Why?
Sophie
PS: and unlikely to do so in the near future... Far too much work! AAarrgh!!!
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Hi Sophie
At least if you have lots of work your job should be safer than some!
I asked here as I saw you were reading this thread, and wondered if you had received the article I sent you. The strange range of letter and number canes that one can imagine in certain Old English weights have little specific relevance to Scottish weights: but the concept of imagining letters that are not there is ubiquitous. I have seen Strathearn weights with a vague 'C' shape in a cane attributed as Clichy - and it is a regular occurence for auction houses to list weights similar to the one in this thread (but with a 'P' cane in the middle) as made by 'Paul Ysart'!
Alan
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Another point in favour of early Perthshire Paperweights is the number of spokes - 11 (also commented on by Derek, above). That was a regular number for many of the early PP1 & PP2 (and possibly PP6 as well??) designs. But the number of spokes in Perthshire Paperweights, Strathearn (and earlier Vasart Ltd, too) was very variable, so it's not a guaranteed identifier. However, the tidyness of this weight points, in my opinion, to Perhshire Paperweights rather than Strathearn.
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Thanks for the extra confirmation KevH,it was actually Scotsman that sold me the weight,just thought I'd add that,not sure why ;D