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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: yesvil on June 28, 2010, 12:06:25 PM
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Do you ever do it?
I couldn't resist this one for £1
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4741577311_f94586ca99_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4741579281_f1e945473e.jpg
The damage is bad but if it's up high and turned the right way round you'd never know.
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thats easy for you to say..........but what if you are looking in through the window :ha:
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If I was buying to sell on then I wouldn't, and I don't usually buy damaged things (except uncommon trinket set pieces for the reference website) but I bought a Davidson Primrose Pearline basket for a whole pound several years ago... it has a crack right through it, but as a perfect one would set me back a *lot* more than £1 I was happy to find it. One day it will split totally in two as the crack is spreading slowly, and then it'll be repaired with glass glue and all will be well again. :)
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Yes if it's cheap and something I'm not prepared to afford at a perfect price or am unlikely to find again or for research purposes.
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I collect Victorian Vaseline Uranium 'rustic' / 'thorn' vases, and it's rare (and expensive!) to find one without any damage. However, the nature of the beasts means it's often difficult to see the damage - even when there's bits missing ;)
I like your piece and would certainly think it was worth buying for £1. It looks great displayed the 'right' way round, as in your first picture! ;D
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ignore my first offering - being flippant as usual :-[ - but here comes a more sensible paragraph...............
Leni comments that I collect Victorian Vaseline Uranium 'rustic' / 'thorn' vases, and it's rare (and expensive!) to find one without any damage. However, the nature of the beasts means it's often difficult to see the damage - even when there's bits missing - I would agree it must be almost impossible to find these particular pieces in perfect nick , unless you purchase from a more expensive source. I had a pair from a b.s. for two quid, and they are a bit chipped, but for that money I would have been foolish to avoid them. But think we would all pick up something that otherwise might cost an arm and a leg, even if it was a little knocked around - even perhaps if you only keep for a limited time and then move it on. The truth may lay more in the fact that a lot of subscribers to the GMB 'deal' in their wares (whether on ebay or elsewhere) - and this fact may influence the sort of quality they are/are not prepared to purchase. However, there are some people here who simply object to damage in whatever form in comes, which is great if you have that sort of depth of pocket. I have a pair of Webb/Walsh pieces that I will show tonight hopefully, one of which was broken - but I would never have turned them down (especially as they only cost a quid) :)
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I thought I'd put in my two pennies worth :)
Generally, I am intolerant of any damage to my glass... the smallest knick -- especially to the rim -- REALLY disturbs me. It doesn't matter that it's not very visable -- the fact that it's there, and that fact that I know it's there, is enough to make me crazy.
I know, it's a mental thing. :pb:
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Being on a limited budget I can find things that I can afford. Every now and then I DO treat myself to a higher priced piece (for me - I consider that to be anywhere from $50 - $150 for a single piece). To date the most expensive *Single* piece I have bought myself was the Glass Figurine: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19131.0.html Yes, it was over a $100, but I thought well worth it.
Usually I try to stay in the $10 - $30 range. I have bought several piece at one time that have cost me over a $100.....but that is far and few in between...LOL
Yes, I will buy a damaged item, as I like to still post the item, and it might be worthy research for the board....and if it is less than $10 (like $1, $4, or $6) then Yes, I will buy it.
I do not have an Ebay account ( :thud: whew as I would put myself in the $ hole $ ) but I do see damaged items being sold on there -- and you just never know what someone is looking for, or can afford on Ebay too.
....and in reality -- I think there are so many collectors out there (look at Ebay popularity) that people are sometimes willing to buy a damaged item if it is something they really want, as they might not find one, or can afford the price if totally perfect...
Even on Antiques Roadshow --- Look at some of the prices realized for items with some damage, or missing a pieces. I guess that is part of the reason I do not mind small damage, but if there is more damage -- and it IS Cheap -- I will buy just for Board research so that it might help others.
Sometimes I luck out here.........as the Board has helped me identify some good pieces of Glass that the seller had not realized what it was either -- I like those. Like the Czech pieces I have found, they were *thought* and ID* but the antique seller as Only *Vintage Age Glass*.
So they were cheap, and had no damage :rah: and just lucked out :rah:
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Generally, I am intolerant of any damage to my glass... the smallest knick -- especially to the rim -- REALLY disturbs me. It doesn't matter that it's not very visable -- the fact that it's there, and that fact that I know it's there, is enough to make me crazy.
Anik, if you think of glass as art that has had a previous life before entering yours, you may be able to forgive the little scars. When I think of good art glass, I think of the passion that went into making the glass. It wasn't just a machine made thing. The more the artist puts into the glass -- frills and adornments -- the more likely it is to have damage. I know a lot of people avoid buying glass with rigaree because of the dread of sharp points.
My thought is that I think we ought to let up on the glass and see it as used art instead of as objects. Chips and nicks bring down the price so that more people can afford it. Anybody who doesn't buy a piece of glass they like because it has history is missing out on a good deal. I'm definitely a glass lover.
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Very well put, Anita. :sun: I couldn't agree more.
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I don't go out of my way to buy damaged items but I have damaged a fair few (one of them one of my very best pieces that is irreplaceable) and hubby damaged a very expensive piece of studio sculpture that I'd bought in the days before kids, when we actually had money. Those pieces still stand proudly, mended but beautiful, where they have always stood. They have our history with them, I couldn't bear to part with them, and my stress levels around them are much less, especially when the kids are playing Wii right next to them.
I did buy a very amazing box recently that is a V Nason piece, with a big chip missing on one corner. But you see, you can't see it when the lid is on, I will NEVER be able to justify paying for an undamaged box like that, and it has pride of place in our sitting room. And I was given a beautiful Skrdlovice piece that has a huge crumpled area on it where the previous owner dropped it :o and I just turn it to the back and it displays beautifully. So yes I do occasionally but only for pieces that I want for my own collection or because of something special (in my eyes) about them. That said, I have two specific people I collect and I wouldn't buy a damaged piece of their work.
For the most part I don't because if I ever wanted to sell it on it is much harder to do so, but I can't resist something a bit different if it floats my boat ;D
m
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I must confess that I did purchase two Vasart baskets on the basis that there is no way I would ever be able to afford the undamaged ones :ooh:
Carolyn
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How could any glass lover not acquire this (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,26142.0.html)?
Bernard C. 8)
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Just a little reflection on the nature of this thread and the thoughts it has engendered - and whilst I am only a new boy here and wouldn't dream of being dictatorial :no: I have a feeling that this one should have been in the cafe. Given an inch most of us take a yard (or should that be a metre ;D) and often ramble on - which is fine if we are in the cafe - but at the end of the day guess we should keep 'Glass' for real glassy topics, and reserve our banter re our personal thoughts for the cafe. I love banter (as if you didn't know :ha:), and have enjoyed this thread and its content, and am not trying to be a 'killjoy' by any stretch of the imagination :tsk: - and I avoid cliches like the plague :tof: So what do you think Anne?? :wsh: Should if be moved :) or shall I simply go away and shut up.
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Just a little reflection on the nature of this thread and the thoughts it has engendered - and whilst I am only a new boy here and wouldn't dream of being dictatorial :no: I have a feeling that this one should have been in the cafe. Given an inch most of us take a yard (or should that be a metre ;D) and often ramble on - which is fine if we are in the cafe - but at the end of the day guess we should keep 'Glass' for real glassy topics, and reserve our banter re our personal thoughts for the cafe. I love banter (as if you didn't know :ha:), and have enjoyed this thread and its content, and am not trying to be a 'killjoy' by any stretch of the imagination :tsk: - and I avoid cliches like the plague :tof: So what do you think Anne?? :wsh: Should if be moved :) or shall I simply go away and shut up.
As the instigator of this thread I do sort of agree although in my defence I would like to know the age of the Mdina item that starts sits atop this page ;)
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The forum is called Glass Identification, DISCUSSION & Research and until now this thread has stayed remarkably on topic, i.e., glass and the collecting thereof, ergo it should stay.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder whether damaged or not if you like it you have it. My wife's a fine example of not being perfect but i love her to bits bless her. If it brightens up your day just for a moment it must be worth it.
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Agree wholeheartedly Mark! :hiclp:
BTW I should really qualify my earlier comment about not buying damaged things other than.... by adding that the main reason is that I simply don't have the space to keep buying things, damaged or not, unless for research, i.e. trinket sets or labelled pieces. Most of the latter will be moved on, so need to be undamaged for that to happen successfully. Either that or I'll need a house the size of Wales! :sun:
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My wife's a fine example of not being perfect but i love her to bits bless her.
I think that that's the most beautiful compliment a husband can give his wife... bless you, bungie60... you are one in a million.
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quoting Lustrousstone earlier today The forum is called Glass Identification, DISCUSSION & Research and until now this thread has stayed remarkably on topic - but you would agree we've fallen off the wagon now Christine ;) - ......we seem to have dipped into the wife patronising arena - Anika has given this further impetus by looking for the "one in a million bloke" - and someone else seems to have a beautiful eye.............where oh where is the relevance to silica and ash in all this >:D
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A glass eye perhaps, Paul? :chky:
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I think we are all forgetting that the originator of this post was hoping for an experts answer re the age of the piece.......As the instigator of this thread I do sort of agree although in my defence I would like to know the age of the Mdina item that starts sits atop this page .........and I think yesvil is still waiting, and hoping.............. :X: :)
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I never intend to buy damaged glass...
But because of my over enthusiasm I have found that when I have arrived home with a few items other members of the household are quick to point out flaws that I have over looked in my dogged determination to beat off the buying competition! ::)
Buying from e-bay or sight unseen opens up a whole new can of worms as I have also found that the descriptors some people use to describe faults are somewhat subjective.
What size is a flea bite? I would assume a very small chip/nick indeed but have received items with chips up to the size of my thumbnail missing......
ahh caveat emptor
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Personally I think it should stay here, as it could help people decide whether or not to buy damaged items, and what sort of price they should go for. If the thread moves to the Cafe, it will end up being deleted.
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And only members can read it if it is in the Cafe, whereas it is possibly the newbies that need to read it the most. :rah:
Carolyn
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I still would not buy a damaged item... especially one that is badly damaged like yesvil's vase/bottle. And I certainly would not want to have a damaged item somewhere in view. I wouldn't be able to accept it or appreciate it -- please understand that the feeling is stronger than I am. The only form of damage I could accept is a knick or two to the base of an item.
For example, with this vase -- the vase (probably Polish) was found buried, hence a few chips are OK and don't take away from the loveliness of the piece.
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I think I've shown one of these pieces before, but they sum up me feelings about damaged glass very well. One is a Kraka piece with a very visible stress fracture and I still don't regret the $9.99 I bid on it. The Losanghe vase has a few quite obvious bubbles, but it displays very well. (Thank you, Anita) Yes, I prefer my glass to be perfect, particularly if it's a relatively common piece that's not too expensive. But on a rare piece or on a piece that I might not be able to afford otherwise, I'll accept some damage. The artistic vision still shines through for me.
David
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The damage to David's Kraka vase is exactly what I would find unacceptable/deeply disturbing -- regardless of what it is. I guess I'm too closed-minded to see beyond the fracture.
I know... terribly sad. :pb:
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Anik:
I have to say that I don't feel that my acceptance of the Kraka piece is indicative of any moral virtue. It may be a deep and disturbing flaw, for all that I know. I've just got to the point where I accept what I am and accept that other people often have different, perfectly reasonable views. It's only if they start hurting other people that I mind. Peace, love, understanding, yes, but fractured glass? It's your choice.
David
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I think we are all forgetting that the originator of this post was hoping for an experts answer re the age of the piece.......As the instigator of this thread I do sort of agree although in my defence I would like to know the age of the Mdina item that starts sits atop this page .........and I think yesvil is still waiting, and hoping..............
The question was actually asked less than 24 hours ago...so as we always say patience. ;D
The Mdina vase is post Harris I believe and probably late 1970s/1980s.
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The Mdina vase is post Harris I believe and probably late 1970s/1980s.
Oh well, in the bin with it then...
...Actually just joking. It's early days for me as a collector. I see pictures in a book, I see items on display, I read about them but this is not enough! However, when I own it and am able to prod it, caress it, manhandle it - it, as an item has a whole energy and personality that can not be discovered in any other way. So for me paying a pound to achieve this is money well spent - better examples will come to me in due course.
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I would probably have bought it for £1, even though I've already got one!
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Providing you're careful not to injure yourself, damaged things can be used.
I wouldn't risk putting anything into a cracked vase, but in one already badly water damaged there's no harm - the wetness hides the stained glass too.
Choose a use which is compatible with the damage, dried flowers and grasses are lightweight and don't require water, for example.
Arrange whatever you have in the piece to hide the damage!
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The following just goes to show how much all my talk is really worth :pb:...
Yesterday, I was extremely pleased to buy myself a wonderful R. Schrotter 'bullet' vase in light blue and in perfect condition -- no chips, knicks or even scratches -- and all for only 24 PLN. I thought I was a hero and very lucky indeed...
When I got home, I admired my new find in the sunlight, enjoying every bit of the vase until -- GASP, SHOCK, HORROR -- I found a strange 'crack'! I really don't know if 'crack' is the right word... there is a horizontal line in the glass which cannot be felt from the outside nor the inside, but can be seen when held up to the light. (Interestingly, the line is only about 0.5 cm long when you look from the inside, but is magnified when looking from the outside.)
Yes, I felt very disappointed, but that feeling lasted about 5 minutes (OK, maybe 10). Now the vase is sitting happily right beside my clear bullet vase, every bit as loved. And I would buy it again, even with the flaw.
;D
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I forgot my pictures...
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I would say that that flaw has been there since your vase was made Anik, by coincidence I bought a Lens vase yesterday just because I wanted to save it from its dirty state and it was only a £1. When I got it home and cleaned it I was still left with a white residue at the bottom so I got my bottle brush that has a sponge on the end and started to remove this gunk. I was pleased when it started to come off and eventually got the final speck as I did this the bottom of the vase dropped off, I couldn't help laughing at my stupidity. The gunk was glue!
I collect Deco period glass and modernist glass and I don't mind slight chips or fleabites on Deco items but hate to have any damage on the 50s/60s/70s items (apart from manufacturing flaws which don't bother me). Saying that I love Lens vases so I will be keeping my two part example. :)
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... and eventually got the final speck as I did this the bottom of the vase dropped off, I couldn't help laughing at my stupidity. The gunk was glue!
Oh no!!! :o :o :o
But I must say that I'm very impressed at your ability to laugh at the situation. My first and automatic reaction would be to cry.
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For me...it depends on the damage. Water staining I can live with if it is a piece I really like. Minor chips to the rim, base or body yes. Cracks in glass definitely not, unless it is a manufacturing flaw. If you can turn the piece around a not notice the flaw, it is perfect in my opinion :thup: