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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Ivo on July 12, 2010, 04:59:43 PM
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I almost know what it is. Light greenish suggesting recycled. Snapped off blowpipe pontil - rough and circular. I am thinking Spain. But What Is It For, please. Olive oil? :sc: Drip feeding stuff to thingies? :ha: Splattering cologne during processions? :tof: IV Therapy? :srn:
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It could be used for drip feeding a plant on your window sill , i use mine so that i can drink all night even while asleep just stick the wick under your tongue . Happy dreams jp . :24:
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I'd go with olive oil but prefer jp's idea ;D
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I'd go with the olive oil thing too.
:angel: I haven't needed to be drip fed alcohol for nearly 20 years - using my brain is so much more fun than pickling it. :angel:
Smug, amn't I?
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it may not be obvious from the picture that that is not a stopper but part of the bottle. So there is only one tiny opening....
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So it would actually be very difficult to fill it with oil. Hmmmm.
It could be warmed a good bit, then submersed in a liquid which would then enter as the vessel cools.....
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Or a funnel and lots of patience ;D
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I think a funnel would cause it's own problems. Getting one slender enough to fit into it leaving space for the expulsion of air and having a gauge wide enough for liquid to actually pour down it, rather than sucking stuff up by capillary action simply isn't feasible. You'd just end up in a mess. :P The patience would be required for cleaning it up.
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It IS a classic shape, so it must have a functionality...
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Ivo, could it be a bug trap of some kind? Put something attractive to bugs in it and they climb in and can't figure out how to get out again.... wasps or suchlike...
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Hmmmm - nice suggestion. Not wasps though - the opening is too small to get them out again. Watering device for pigeons/ rabbits/ chickens might be another option. Also, it does not stand comfortably, it wobbles.
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In that case it probably stands on its head in a cage that does make sense if you have kept Rabbits , RABBITS RABBITS WHOAR , KIND PERMISSION OF BUGGS BUNNY. :chky: WALT DISNEY .
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It's a bit wide to be one of those methinks JP? They usually clip to the side of a cage, don't they?
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Could it be some sort of babies feeder bottle? See here - scroll down to the illustration at the side of "teats over the ages" http://www.babybottle-museum.co.uk/articles.htm
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Yes nice find. I have several of these feeder bottles myself. The essence is that they can be filled and cleaned, which is quite a clever feature really. The bottle at issue cannot be opened, filled, or cleaned. :pb:
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Plant waterer perhaps....? invert it so it seeps into the soil as needed.
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That IS a very sensible suggestion, and it would work. :hi:
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Patricia made a clever discovery in an old book on aLtare glass. The bottle is featured as a "traveller's bottle named "Of San Rocco" and allegedly in production at Altare in the 1860s. (still trying to decypher the detaails here). Rocco (Roche, Rock, Roc, Rok) was a popular saint - but no amount of googling brings up the bottle named after him. But at least - we now know where it was made, what for and when. I'm inclined to call that a triumph!
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:hiclp: fantastic. I love hearing when things are 'discovered'. However, what was it used for if it couldn't be cleaned?
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Ivo, do you recall that way back on the board (Sep 2005) we had someone called alteglass (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=profile;u=779) join who had a specific interest in Altare Glass and they posted their blog site http://vetroadaltare.blogspot.com/ (http://vetroadaltare.blogspot.com/). Since then a lot more info has been added to the blog so it may be worth contacting them to see if they can help with your traveller's bottle.
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I am in contact with the lady who writes that blog Anne, and I will give her a ring later.
I have good hopes of finding out more as she is the curator of the Altare glass museum.
She is also the one who put me in contact with Maria Brondi, one of the big glass historians on Altare.
I did find out already that sometimes we talk a bit too quick about Venice when we should look at Altare really.
Patricia
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Fingers crossed she can help Patricia. Some of the blog posts are by Maria as well. It's very interesting reading. :)
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She did help already somewhat but I find it rather confusing.
They have this saint in Altare called Rocco, patron saint for their glassblowers and always pictured with a glass flask hanging from his hip.
Never found such a picture so far though.
Then there is another saint in Altare called Filiberto who is patron saint of the glass arts.
I was told to call back next week so they could study things themselves a bit more and come up with some better answers.
Fingers crossed, like you said.
Patricia
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Here's a photo of Saint/San Rocco:
http://www.vasanellovt.it/FOTO%20SITO%20WEB%20VASANELLO/San%20Rocco%20001.jpg
The flask can clearly be seen on his right hip. Thanks to Patricia! The reason most of these effigies and paintings have him showing his leg, is because of a plague sore that healed - seemingly one of the miracles necessary to beatify him.
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We have come back to feeding bottles again, Paul has a thread about a mystery glass cup, and so at the risk of appearing to go off topic, HOWEVER, I thought I would own up to the fact that I was the designer of the Avent Baby feeding bottle, 40 years ago!!!....but I am sad to say it is injection molded PLASTIC!!
But back to Ivo's lovely bottle.....if it was recycled glass, could it have been designed to be disposable, and the worry of refilling/cleaning not deemed to be an issue??
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That's quite a claim to fame! Even more so that they are still making it today (http://www.mothercare.com/gp/node/n/44559031/026-2440521-7277240?ie=UTF8&mcb=core&extid=ps_ggl_FeedingBrand_Brand+Avent+Feeding+Products_aventbabyfeedingbottle&gclid=CKGOoanJ9qUCFYIe4Qod3GH6ng&tduid=4115c21b035438832ad549fe85ffd335)... do you still get royalties???
But in the meantime I came across another photo with the same-style flask hanging from San Rocco's staff:
http://www.rioneterravecchia.com/SAN%20ROCCO%20%20PROTETTORE%20%20DI%20%20PISTICCI.jpg
It's quite a compelling find and could link it to Altare.
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Slight digression......No royalties David when you are employed to design anything....it took Cannon (the manuacturers), nearly 20 years to be brave enough to launch the design, it was so different to other bottles on the market.....and yes, it is still a WORLD best seller!!
Back to the water bottle.....I have had a look at pictures of St. Rocco, and I think you are absolutely right Ivo...and thinking about it realistically, the water could be easily sucked out from the narrow neck, and yet if the bottle were tipped over, it wouldn't spill the contents. Have you tried filling it with water to see if it bobs back upright if knocked over? You can see I am a very practical nurse, can't you!!?
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the bottle will not stand stable on a flat surface, so *kaboom* to that superb idea. :hi:
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the bottle will not stand stable on a flat surface, so *kaboom* to that superb idea. :hi:
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:hat: A Chemist Bottle that is used upside down to hang....and the small nozzle would be used to *attach* some rubber tubing. It may have been used upside down to capture. When I went to school, we had some Beakers like this to use for Chemistry, but when they were used they were inverted upside down on a metal stand.....
Anyways -- that is what they look like to me, and my 2 cents worth :X: but that is a guess yet here???
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these look to be similer,
http://www.markwest-glass.com/DynamicPages/Enlargement.php?StockID=3171.
Peter.
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the bottle will not stand stable on a flat surface, so *kaboom* to that superb idea. :hi:
I think Rosie meant that once a liquid was inside, this would prevent the bottle from falling over. Less of a problem when it's empty. :usd:
Thanks for the link Peter, these are also very similar.
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Holy water perhaps. Warm the flask to create a partial vacuum and it would fill when plunged into water. Seal with wax or cork.
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Wow Peter, where did you find that info....
Can I stop looking now Ivo? I was up until 2am surfing the net for you!!
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Thanks everybody - the mystery has diminished considerably. If the bottle is in the Altare book, then we must assume it was (also) made there, not (just) in Germany. I could also imagine these to be so rare that assumption 'Germany' imposed itself onto the Huffnagel attribution. Keeping an open mind here.
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