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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on July 16, 2010, 03:30:27 PM
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Hi, I have a few days grace (no younger child ;D) so thought I'd do some more researching on odd bits I have with no attribution, but unfortunately also no camera as it's gone on hols with him and oh.
So, my question is:
I have a large heavy vase with vertical stripes which are 'sommerso' and made entirely of minute frothy bubbles. The vase has three layers, a cranberry pink interior then this very definite layer of vertical stripes of tiny bubbles (the layers can be seen clearly near the base) then the entire thing is cased in a thick clear casing.
Plain polished flat base.
Any ideas on where I might go to search for designer/maker would be hugely appreciated as I am all out of where to look next. Many thanks.
m
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pondering some and trying to think how this would have been made :-\ and wondering if it could be a studio vase?
The vase is 29cm tall, 9cm wide and the walls of the vase I estimate are about 10mm thick. Fire polished rim.
So thinking on this - if the inner layer is blown as pink, I could understand how a vase could have that then a controlled bubbles layer, or even a vase with pink inner and then a middle layer of completely clear pulegoso perhaps and then cased in clear, and how it might have been made. But this has the pink then has a layer of vertical stripes (estimated about 40 in total, a sort of 'pinstripe' effect) each stripe made of millions of minute bubbles so they actually look like white stripes from a distance but they aren't iykwim? Then all cased in clear. So what I don't understand is how you could have a complete layer of stripes alternating plain and frothy bubbles. How could that be done? Would it be made with alternating canes somehow in order to produce the controlled stripes effect?
m
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No amount of description will replace a photo. You lost me in the first sentence...
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'No amount of description will replace a photo. You lost me in the first sentence...'
you're right ;D
It's VERY irritating not being able to post a picture. >:D
I'll let you know if I solve it before they come back.
m
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http://www.antiquehelper.com/item/315973
The layered effect is very similar visually to this one, except mine doesn't appear to have such a thick clear casing up the sides as this one, and the bubbles on mine are not controlled individual ones like this. But at the base, you can see the internal layer of coloured glass, then the middle suspended layer of bubble effect showing below it like this one, then the clear. The effect on mine is vertical stripes up the vase made up of frothy tiny bubbles rather than controlled bubbles.
Not sure if that is any more clear :ooh:
m
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pics now added.
Any ideas on key words to search for would be hugely appreciated. Many thanks. The vase is the same pink all the way through, any colour variations are from my photos not the vase. It is also proportioned well so any wonkiness is again my photos. oh and the stripes appear to be longer stretched bubbles with lots of smaller bubbles and silver tiny tiny inclusions as well (like salt grains ish)
m
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Skrdlovice?
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more pics
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Would adding "tiny gritty bits" to one layer not cause the tiny bubbles to form in the outer casing????
Person of more glassmaking knowledge than me required! :pb:
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Thanks Ivo and Sue. I have been searching and researching trying to figure out how it may be made. On looking at it, there is a pink inner layer, then a layer that has the stripes of inclusions and bubbles, then a further outer layer of thick clear casing. They appear to be three separate layers from looking at the side view where you can see the 'layer' of stripes appearing below the pink inner, and, on looking at it, I do think it is separate layers. That isn't an illusion. I was wondering how you might blow a layer of stripes on top of a solid layer of pink? was a clear layer blown over the pink layer, then somehow the ridges were made int that clear layer by a mould or something :-\ then as the outer clear layer was put on over that, those ridges appeared as stripes being made by air bubbles and appear as internally decorated? But how would you get the inclusions in there? Sue I agree, I was thinking the addition of the inclusions could have caused the bubbles to appear but then I was fascinated to know how you would get inclusions to go on in stripes? :spls:
It definitely looks to me to be a similar technique in one way, to the Gunnel Nyman vase I linked to. Those have been described as ariel technique but from my searching I wasn't entirely sure if they really were? are they? BTW I'm not saying this one is, just trying to learn a bit more.
m
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oooh, going through old posts and clicked on a link of solved that Boba had linked to Jindrich's site on something else and came across this, scroll down to 5th section/vase down I think it is?
is this the same technique? My Czech is severely limited to nothing but is it by Hospodka for Chribska?
http://www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo/8-ZEPTEJTE-SE-QUESTIONS/15-Vyresene-solved-issues
scrolling down there is a further vase there with a criss cross of stripes which again is Hospodka for Chribska and looks to be a similar technique?
Jindrich I hope it is ok to use these links? and thanks again for such amazing pics and the link :sun:
m
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You put your whatever it is on the marver in stripes and then you roll your initial gob of glass carefully over it. Then you apply the outer layer. It may be that the pink is a thin bubble blown into the other two layers. It's not complicated; it just needs a lot of care and skilful manipulating.
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I checked on Ivo's Skrdlovice suggestion, and certainly Palacek used bubbles in this style. It would take bOBA or Jindrich to confirm or deny, though. Here's the piece that got me thinking:
David
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One thing is sure - the piece is not Skrdlovice.
It should be Chribska and Josef Hospodka, but I have not proof for this shape, so nothing is sure.
Hospodka designed in middle of 60ties several pieces with soda stripes and ornaments (see picture) not only in displayed colours.
I still have not complete Chribska catalogues or pattern books so I cannot help more.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskloslovenskesklo
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Christine, a great explanation thanks. Ivo, David, thanks to you both - I did search Czechoslovakian initially before posting and couldn't find anything but I'm glad to feel I wasn't far off base in my first thoughts. Feel like I am learning something as time goes on :) I did go back to Skrdlovice after you suggested it Ivo and found similar vases to the one you posted David, in some exhibition pictures (I think??) that Jindrich had put on a while ago - however ones I saw were too far away to get a good look but were graduating to dark pink at the top.
Jindrich many thanks for replying :) I appreciate it. One of those you posted was one I found on your site which led me to think it may be Hospodka for Chribska, but I couldn't tell if the decor was truly the same. They are really beautiful shapes. I hope you do come across mine in your researching.
thanks again
m
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How strange!!
I'm at this very moment uploading a similar vase to my photobucket page. Thought I'd have a look on this forum while I was waiting.
I'll upload it in a minute
David
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Here is my vase
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/david-dj/tall%20pink/DSC05317.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/david-dj/tall%20pink/DSC05316.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/david-dj/tall%20pink/DSC05319.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/david-dj/tall%20pink/DSC05318.jpg
David
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Following on from Jindrich's earlier attribution, I just clicked on a link that Astrid put on another post , to Jindrich's Chribska catalogue pics and I think I've found the page now? The vases seem to be Josef Hospodka, Chribska 1986. :hiclp: Thanks again to Jindrich for sharing such invaluable information :)
http://picasaweb.google.com/Jindra8526/CHRIBSkA1999?authkey=Gv1sRgCKjbrouFiseK2gE#5435068743752357698
m
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Well done,
so we have also pattern number 467/1/3, Josef Hospodka, Chribska 1986.
We Czech say: more eyes can see more :-)
So we can tick one isse as solved. Thank you
Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
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thank you also, without the catalogues being online I would never have found out who designed and made this :)
m
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Much wear to the base?
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no, not much really - are you thinking most recently produced Chribska (it was in the catalogue 1999) or are you thinking there are recent copies around coming from elsewhere?
m