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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on July 26, 2010, 10:04:40 PM
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I always think these 'midnight' coloured pieces are likely to be Dartington, then get them home and discover they're not. Having looked through my book I don't now think this is. The woman at the boot sale said it came from an oldish house when she lived in France, and it may therefore possibly be French. Ground and polished pontil - stopper is also ground and polished on the top - whole thing about 195mm tall. Some wear, but not a great deal, and not marks that I can see. Rather small for a standard decanter I thought, might it have been for a liqueur? Could be Scandi of course. If anyone recognizes the design please let me know, and thanks for looking.
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Looks like it might be an inter-war style...only going from a little catalogue I got from Andy Mc when he gave a talk which I assisted at. Your best bet is taking a photo to show him, although I have a feeling he'll say this one is unidentified as yet. :)
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Max - thank you for replying, I had begun to think no one luvved me :D Uhmmm, I don't really know what to think about this. It's an odd size for a decanter - how about a cocktail shaker yes/no?? I don't see it as being a French interwar piece with this rather modern smoky looking colour, do you. I tend to think of these 'midnight' shades as perhaps Scandi.
Of course you may well be correct, sometimes anything is possible. I had hoped that Ivo or Dirk might have commented.
Anyway, yes perhaps might take a pic. to show Andy at Rye. thanks for your help.
P.S. how did you assist Andy - perhaps in the way that Debbie M. helps Paul D.?? :ooh: :wsh:
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hi,
are you sure it isn't a frank thrower design for wedgewood?
i have a horatio decanter which is the same colour,and the stopper is similar in looks apart from the top of it is rounded off.
also his wedgewood range had a rounded foot on most of his pieces as this one does.
malc
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It's not in the book. The colour looks wrong too. Hints of green...
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thanks for the input........I hadn't thought of the colour looking as though there was a 'hint of green', and this is not apparent in the flesh. Have just compared it next to an FT 14 water jug, and the decanter doesn't have quite the steely blue/black of the FT piece - but like all these things you them side by side to see the difference.
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I thought this was green. It definitely pays to take clear photos, especially with each of us having different monitor settings. :)
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It almost beggars belief that this should be interpreted as green :huh: Why would I say......"I always think these 'midnight' coloured pieces are likely to be Dartington".......if it were green? I have a high quality camera, and use a very neutral background - pieces are lit with a 22 watt 'warm white' circular fluorescent light, and the whole lot is sent out into the world via a very up-to-date pc package. I might suggest that there are some people who need to up-date their screens or visit Specsavers. :) As I have already commented, the decanter lacks the steely blue black of Dartington, but could nonetheless be confused easily with 'Midnight', unless the two are seen side by side. Bearing in mind the need for image accuracy because of the visual importance of our pictures, then if you are seeing this piece as green then you may well need to up-grade, or at least get the colour re-tuned. I don't recall misreading anyone's pics., or thinking I was unsure of the colour. Does anyone else see this decanter as green? :)
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I might suggest that there are some people who need to up-date their screens or visit Specsavers. Smiley
There is really no need for this kind of reply when all people are trying to do is help.
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Has a green tint for me too. :D
Did you adjust the white balance on your camera for a fluorescent light source when you took the photos? A plain and white background usually works well too.
John
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It's possible that everyone here is right. To me, it seems to be grey with ther very slightest nod in the green direction.
You have to remember that people perceive colours differently as well. A friend of mine always jokes about my lack of red receptors, because there is a dark colour she sees as purple that I define as blue.
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I'm going with grey with a greenish tinge. :hat:
Carolyn
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Interesting. I saw it as greenish, although I wasn't sure whether it was the background or the glass. I'm using a brand new imac, so I should be getting reasonably accurate colour rendition. I tried different colour settings, and they all came out with some green in them, at least to my eyes. I copied the picture and edited it. It took an 18% shift in the tint to take out all the green.
When you say you use a very neutral background, what neutral colour is it?
David
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You also have to remember women can see more "colours" (for want of a better word) than men. My monitor gives pretty good colour rendition and I am very good at colour matching and differentiating between shades.
Grey glass is rarely a percentage of black, though Dartington comes pretty close. Some are brownish, some are bluish and some are greenish, as this one is.
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I've a fairly good eye for colour, :spls: and I see green too, was somewhat confused when it was described as Midnight!......sorry, please don't bite my head off!
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I also saw this as green, until I copied the photo, tweaked the colour cast, and then I could see the blue.
I hope you will excuse me copying your photo in order to play with it, Paul. I have now deleted it from my file.
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Max - please don't take it too seriously, after all I did include a smiley with my comment :) I'm sure that you have a greater intuitive knowledge of glass than me - however, I do make every effort to make sure that my descriptions are as accurate as I can make them. If a piece is 'Midnight', then that is what I will say, and if it is green, then green I will describe it as - and if I can't differentiate between the two, then I shall give up collecting glass ;D It seemed, from looking at the thread, that people were not actually reading the text of my post. I hope we are still friends Max :hi: :kissy:
I wont' reply individially to everyone, but just to say that it does in fact seems possible that the problem arises from the fluorescent lighting, and presumably (as Lustrousstone has recently reminded me) certain types of glass make up, may well contain more Manganese than others, thus giving rise, possibly, to a 'greenish' appearance - due perhaps to some of the light wavelength from the tube. However, certainly on my camera and screen there didn't seem to be any green apparent. It isn't always possible to photograph in daylight - which I suspect is the best form of lighting, hence the problem. In comparing this and the FT piece, it might be argued that the decanter does have a hint of 'brownish', possibly, but in the flesh there is definitely no green. Feel free to use my pics. as you wish, within the bounds of courtesy and decency, but if they end up in 'Penthouse' then I want the credits ;).........too much 'sea green' Emmi - old lady syndrome is it ;)
My background is a sort of off white, which seems best for most coloured glass - but I will speak to one of my clever sons and ask about the 'white balance' on the camera - this may be a worthwhile point to discuss.
I was also unaware that the fairer sex could perceive more colours than us men.
Sorry this is a bit of a rush job, but there are those of us that need to work, and someone has to keep the world of commerce running. :)
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i know jg durand "france".made gin sets,which could explain the decanter being small as the decanters for gin tend to be this way.
also i have some jg durand glasses from the 60's which are a smokey grey colour,and at the base where the glass is at its thickest its almost black.i will try and get a photo on if your interested.
not sure if a set made by them would have a polished pontil though.
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malcyp - thanks for your informative reply - to be honest it had never occured to me that it might be a 'gin decanter'. I have decanters for Scotch, Brandy, Port, Sherry (not that they all contain booze at the same time) - but for some reason had never thought of one for Gin (it just stays in the bottle). If I understand correctly, Durrand were more into utility type glass, rather than up-market pieces. :)
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just on my way to bed, and had a thought to put the uv torch across this decanter.........and lo and behold the thick base and a part of the neck give a subdued hint of olive green, so I guess manganese.........and throughout the rest of the body there are those pin prick points of brilliant deep blue.........but what causes those I think I now forget - is it very tiny whitish seeds in the metal?
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Paul, another variable to factor in is the monitor and its settings which others users are seeing your pics on. Every monitor displays differently - and with variations in video cards and settings, colours can look different from screen to screen. This is, of course, why a good verbal description backed up with clear pics against a white background work best for IDs. ;)
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purses lips.........frowns...........sighs heavily and wearily...........resigned to frustration................yes Miss, will try harder in future. :fwr: