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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: cubby01 on July 29, 2010, 10:07:49 PM
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I think I'd call this a vase but searching for bowl seems to turn up more that look kinda like it.
And it has a coating on it. Frosted? It's a bit iridescent. It's on both inside and outside although seems a slightly different texture between the two. It's not coated on the base.
7 inches across the rim. 4-3/4 inches tall.
I think it's at least earlier than mid-century but no real basis. Any help?
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Foot and mold seam detail.
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Seen something similar on a post a while ago,probably out my tree on this but may have been 'Fenton stretch' glass,I think :pb: bit late for the old brain cells,will look in morning, :sleep:,Keith.
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Seen something similar on a post a while ago,probably out my tree on this but may have been 'Fenton stretch' glass,I think :pb:bit late for the old brain cells,will look in morning, :sleep:,Keith.
Sleep well Keith knowing you're brain cells are still firing on all synapses :thup: That was certainly enough a tip to turn up the technique and find similar bowls in web searches.
[short time passes]
In looking at stretch glass bowls and vases from the various makers I think this one is perhaps US Glass / Tiffen #179 Vase. Would be great if someone can confirm that and give an approximate date.
Way cool. -Buck
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It looks like a Tiffin 15179 sweet pea vase. Don't know what the colour/finish is though
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Thanks Cristine. So I came up with #179 and you came up with 15179. Must be something with a 179 in it :D
The iridescent finish is fairly colorless or whiteish. One stretch glass collector site call US Glass / Tiffin's implementation of this finish 'Crystal'. (Other companies versions go by different names, ie something pearl or pearl something.)
Thanks for your help.
-Buck
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The one I showed is a definite ID, the previous picture is an Amberina one in the same pattern number. This shows the crystal satin finish
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Hi all,
I'm the Tiffin editor for chatabout and these pieces drive me bonkers! lol The vase looks close to 15179 or 179 but the foot is a little bit different and I'm not finding any stretch glass in the books, they might be there though! The other company I would suggest is Northwood, I know they did stretch glass and they made similar items...both companies were doing this shape in the 1930's.
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:-[
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Hi there
i think it may have been my piece you where thinking of Keith, thought possibly to be perlmutter by WMF
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,29762.0.html
Michelle
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Spot on MIchelle,I can never find past posts,how do you do it? there should be a 'Thickie' smiley for me!
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haha keith, i would need that smiley lots also
I can never find them either, but i only found this one the other day to use the link in ebay as im selling mine, its been sat around forever and i need space.
Never did get a definitive answer on it.
Although i did work something out the other day, you have to be on the home page to search properly, as it will only search the area you are in (well it seems to when i try and search anyway) and sometimes if you write it in all caps, all lower case or a mix you get different results.
I can find my own ones quite quickly now whereas i use to sit and go through all my posts to try and find something. I just try and remember how i would have described something.
michelle
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:-[ Christine you did a good job finding the Tiffin one so no need for the red face. I'm still checking bases but one more to throw in the mix is Diamond Glass, same time period, finish is one they did ....I'll keep looking.
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Hi all, I don't have quick access to books so I use the web as much as possible. I know there are lots of mis-attributions out there but that's why I come back here and try to get some real live help. I really appreciate the help.
Anyway, as soon as someone called it stretch glass I looked at diamond and northwood and fenton and others that made this kind of glass and US Glass/Tiffin was the only one that I found that matched the foot shape and the body shape as well as offered stretch glass in this color. Not saying it's the end of it but that's how I landed on US Glass / Tiffin.
Assuming this stretch glass collector ... http://www.shetlarglass.com/stretchglass/SGCompanies/SGID.htm (http://www.shetlarglass.com/stretchglass/SGCompanies/SGID.htm) ... is fairly good at distinguishing company to company, I also went through all their company pages for bowl and vase shapes. I still think mine is USG/Tiffin.
deco.queen, can you tell me the difference in 15179 and 179 and also what is different about the foot for what I have?
Thanks.
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There is no difference in the numbers 179 and 15179 refer to the same pattern. The base of your piece has an extra "step". Here are examples of the Tiffin base and they don't have the "bird bath" bottom either.
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Thanks deco!. That's the kind of detail I wasn't able to see earlier. ... and it's exactly why I tried to get a good shot of the molding on the foot of my piece at the top of the thread. Back to the hunt then. It was very close.
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Assuming this stretch glass collector ... http://www.shetlarglass.com/stretchglass/SGCompanies/SGID.htm (http://www.shetlarglass.com/stretchglass/SGCompanies/SGID.htm) ... is fairly good at distinguishing company to company, I also went through all their company pages for bowl and vase shapes. I still think mine is USG/Tiffin.
They are very good at what they do, and their site has proven to be invaluable to me at times. At one point it allowed me to ID a vase I had been attempting to ID for years....
Craig
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While I agree Dave's site is excellent there is a technical difference between attributing these to Factory R (Tiffin) of the USG conglomerate when the UGS collectors strongly believe these stretch pieces were produced at Factory G (Glassport) which was also in the USG conglomerate. That may be why Janice has not been able to locate them in Tiffin references. You can also find these stretch finishes on UGS opaques, especially blue which are well documented as being produced by Factory G. Ken
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Thanks for the continuing education guys.
Ken, I'd read some history about USG and the companies in the trust but am not clear on the whole genealogy; when companies were considered part of USG; who produced what when; how much 'sharing' occured; etc. I'll see what I can turn up for Glassport (Factory GP?, Wikipedia says factory G was Gillinder).
-Buck
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Wikipedia is talking about USG before the reorganization in 1923 & there were actually two factory Gs, one Gillinder which was sold in 1907 & Glassport which opened in 1894. 1/2 of the old conglomerate was gone by that time, Challinor Taylor, Richards & Hartley, Bellaire Goblet, O'Hara, Columbia, etc, etc, etc. I'll try & simplify this. In 1923 USG reorganized because many of the original ancilliary companies had either gone out of business or had dropped out of the conglomerate. What replaced them were simply factories not individual companies operating under the USG reorganization. Many of these factories continued as part of USG until the 2nd reorganization in 1937 when USG headquarters moved from the Pittsburgh area to Tiffin, Ohio (Factory R) & this remained relatively intact until 1962 when USG went bankrupt. Now what causes confusion is that prior to September 1927 many USG products produced after the 1923 were labeled either with an inpressed USG in the glass or a USG paper label. In September 1927 all glass produced within USG regardless of what factory produced it was labeled Tiffin by paper label. Confusing? yes, but its typical of what happened within many conglomerates during this time in the US. Now Tiffin Factory R continued on after the USG 1962 bankruptcy as the Tiffin Art Glass Company when former employees purchased it from the bankruptcy proceedings & it remained open under several different ownership changes until 1980 when it finally closed. Glassport Factory G was still in operation until it was destroyed by a tornado in 1963 that by todays standards was at least an F3. Ken
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Ken, you've seen a whole lot more Tiffin than I have, have you seen any with this style base and bottom? All of the pieces I have have a smooth bottom without that rim.
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Janice I'm with you & am not 100% convinced this is USG because of #1 the bottom & #2 the flaired top. The 15179 simply does not exhibit this type of flair, its flaired yes, but not to this extent. There is however a problem totally discounting the possibility...the USG Aurora stretch line was initiated in October 1921 primarily in Factories G & R & continued through 1926. These were early forerunners for later 151 line pieces & I was informed years ago that molds were changed out & some early molds were discarded/modified during the production of Carrara which was a heavier (weight)opaque & did not work well pressing Carrara. If you ever (and I know you have) picked up a piece of 151 Carrara & compared it to a piece of "normal" 151 there is a substantial weight difference so I'm wondering if the possibility exists that this was an earlier mold that was later discarded when Carrara production began. Thats the only possibility I can think of regarding saying this is for certain USG. To me this is a tough piece to attribute 100% as being USG unless its a modified mold. Ken
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And here we have the third piece which has referenced Perlmutter on the site that remains unattributed. I do not feel that this piece is WMF. The base is wrong for that. This piece has a more American look. But this is speculative, not meant to be definitive. I would not buy this piece if it was attributed as Perlmutter.