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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: harvey27 on August 03, 2010, 09:36:45 AM
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hi,
can anyone confirm please
if wedgwood
i have a candlestick but it has a twisted stem,did wedgwood make these
thank you
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Hi and welcome - I think we need a picture to be able to help you.
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Hi and welcome - I think we need a picture to be able to help you.
Hey-I will and thank you for replying
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Is it this one?
http://ronaldstennettwillson.com/Candlesticks_Helix.html
John
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Is it this one?
http://ronaldstennettwillson.com/Candlesticks_Helix.html
John
no not that one...
its like the brancaster, but with a twisted stem
ive seen those others in a charity shop for £40.
thank you
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this is a picture of the candlestick..is it wedgwood thank you
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Never seen one of those before, what colour is the stem (it looks metallic)?
John
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Never seen one of those before, what colour is the stem (it looks metallic)?
John
clear glass
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I'm pretty sure it's not Wedgwood. Italian, Czech or Polish maybe.
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The amber is not a Wedgwood colour, neither is the design....
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The amber is not a Wedgwood colour, neither is the design....
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wedgwood did make "one off's"
and many pieces they did not sign
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It still doesn't look like a Wedgwood piece.
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It's very hard to tell what sort of quality this is from the photograph, but I'm sure I've had sets of things like this come into a charity shop where i was working and the quality wasn't up to that of Wedgwood.
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I'd always assumed this sort of piece was from the Empoli region of Italy, but could easily believe it to be Czech or Polish as Christine suggests.
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The amber is not a Wedgwood colour, neither is the design....
Wedgwood did amber!!!!!
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Yes, Dinklepip, :hi: they do, but their amber is a glowing rosy one, like the golden amber of WFs, Webb or Stuart.
(and yes, I know they're all different to each other, but they're all rosyglowing)
I can't see from the photograph of this bit what angles the top and base are to the stem, or how well constructed it is.
The stem itself looks a bit crudely done and the top rim looks simply polished flat.
I've got a Brancaster in my sticky mitts, and the top rim is both polished and bevelled.
The bowl of this bit has a thick base, with a thick sloping bit where it joins the walls, making for a more rounded, bird bathy shape at the bottom inside.
The base of this Brancaster is thinner, and the bowl is much wider and flatter at the bottom because the angle at the base and the walls is much sharper.
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But not in that yellowish shade of amber.
The amber
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wedgwood did make "one off's"
Sorry, are you asking for help, or giving information?? From this quote you appear to know more than most. If this is a factual assertion, perhaps you would be kind enough to tell more and, if possible, give the source (Thanks) :)
The pieces that were not 'signed' (acid etched backstamp of manufacturer) would have had labels that have long since been seperated from the vessel and therefore are identified by the known ranges and colours. The amber colour made by Kings Lynn and Wegdwood is called Topaz and is totally different from your candlestick, which has a prevalance of yellow on my screen - and not the rosy-amber that is referred to by Chopin-Liszt.
Neither the stem construction, nor the colour are synonimous with known Stennett-Willson designs, so it would be very good to know more. It's always good to gain new information :) ;) :)
Many thanks, Nigel
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Brancaster in Topaz, for comparison...
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Ah, maybe less confusion If I had said "this amber" rather than "the amber".
In relation to the original amber not Nic's Brancasters. ;D
John
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It's very hard to tell what sort of quality this is from the photograph, but I'm sure I've had sets of things like this come into a charity shop where i was working and the quality wasn't up to that of Wedgwood.
i saw a glass which i think some have referred to, which was a cheap version...
this candlestick i have is very much wedgwood. im sure.
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Sorry, are you asking for help, or giving information?? From this quote you appear to know more than most. If this is a factual assertion, perhaps you would be kind enough to tell more and, if possible, give the source (Thanks) :)
The pieces that were not 'signed' (acid etched backstamp of manufacturer) would have had labels that have long since been seperated from the vessel and therefore are identified by the known ranges and colours. The amber colour made by Kings Lynn and Wegdwood is called Topaz and is totally different from your candlestick, which has a prevalance of yellow on my screen - and not the rosy-amber that is referred to by Chopin-Liszt.
Neither the stem construction, nor the colour are synonimous with known Stennett-Willson designs, so it would be very good to know more. It's always good to gain new information :) ;) :)
Many thanks, Nigel
probably a little of both asing and giving info.
the source are from people who actually worked at kings lynn glass
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Do you have a macro setting on your camera? (normally a wee "s" beside the flower close-up thing) - or even just using the flower thing, get an image which is in focus?
A better photograph would allow us to assess the actual quality of the piece.
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Do you have a macro setting on your camera? (normally a wee "s" beside the flower close-up thing) - or even just using the flower thing, get an image which is in focus?
A better photograph would allow us to assess the actual quality of the piece.
Ermmmm i do but it does not seem to be working...i need a new camera..sorry about that.
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Sorry, are you asking for help, or giving information?? From this quote you appear to know more than most. If this is a factual assertion, perhaps you would be kind enough to tell more and, if possible, give the source (Thanks) :)
The pieces that were not 'signed' (acid etched backstamp of manufacturer) would have had labels that have long since been seperated from the vessel and therefore are identified by the known ranges and colours. The amber colour made by Kings Lynn and Wegdwood is called Topaz and is totally different from your candlestick, which has a prevalance of yellow on my screen - and not the rosy-amber that is referred to by Chopin-Liszt.
Neither the stem construction, nor the colour are synonimous with known Stennett-Willson designs, so it would be very good to know more. It's always good to gain new information :) ;) :)
Many thanks, Nigel
maybe if i could catch up with stennet wilson, i could ask him myself.... ;)
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I presume, though, you could tell us if the rim is simply polished flat, or if it is bevelled as well?
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this candlestick i have is very much wedgwood. im sure.
Without intending offence, why bother asking if your glass is by a specific factory only to claim knowledge that it is when others present convincing arguments that it isn't?
All factories involving any degree of handmade production make occasional one-off items - but then many factories involved in such industries also 'borrow' elements of design from other factories.
So, with this in mind, whilst the bowl and foot of your candlestick might bear a passing resemblance to Wedgwood production, it does not instantly make it by Wedgwood - especially when so many other elements are working against it (finish, colour, shape, overall quality of design).
Even if it had many elements the same as Wedgwood production, and only differed a little, you would still have to take into account the degree of 'borrowing' that went on in the glass industry. For example, consider the 'Helix' candlestick linked to on the first page of this thread (http://ronaldstennettwillson.com/Candlesticks_Helix.html) and then compare it to the earlier 'Amager' candlestick designed by Jacob E. Bang for Kastrup Glas...
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Without intending offence, why bother asking if your glass is by a specific factory only to claim knowledge that it is when others present convincing arguments that it isn't?
All factories involving any degree of handmade production make occasional one-off items - but then many factories involved in such industries also 'borrow' elements of design from other factories.
So, with this in mind, whilst the bowl and foot of your candlestick might bear a passing resemblance to Wedgwood production, it does not instantly make it by Wedgwood - especially when so many other elements are working against it (finish, colour, shape, overall quality of design).
Even if it had many elements the same as Wedgwood production, and only differed a little, you would still have to take into account the degree of 'borrowing' that went on in the glass industry. For example, consider the 'Helix' candlestick linked to on the first page of this thread (http://ronaldstennettwillson.com/Candlesticks_Helix.html) and then compare it to the earlier 'Amager' candlestick designed by Jacob E. Bang for Kastrup Glas...
sorry i did not want to appear to be a "know it all"
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Don't worry Harvey, I think you may have unintentionally poked at one of our collective 'sensitive spots' (asking advice and then appearing to dismiss it). I would like to add that I imagine this was not your intention.
With typed messages it is impossible to pick up on the subtleties of communication we are all used to, body language, facial expressions, etc. Easy to get the wrong end of the stick.....
John
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Don't worry Harvey, I think you may have unintentionally poked at one of our collective 'sensitive spots' (asking advice and then appearing to dismiss it). I would like to add that I imagine this was not your intention.
With typed messages it is impossible to pick up on the subtleties of communication we are all used to, body language, facial expressions, etc. Easy to get the wrong end of the stick.....
John
thank you john, it would seem a sensitive spot.
i was just interested in what people thought, its great to discuss things and learn from each other.
cheers john
best wishes
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Wedgwood Candleholders:
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Wedgwood Candleholders:
are these the only ones wedgwood made?
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spoke to a glass dealer yesterday, he said this item could possible be wedgwood the top is very much on the wedgwood basis, but has never seen a twisted stem..it could be a rare one off item...as glass-blowers made many one off's and never signed. :)
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What's the diameter of the bowl?
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It's not an uncommon form, so unless you can find the person who actually made it, you are never going to prove it's Wedgwood. Wishing doesn't make it Wedgwood.
You never told us what the rim is like, despite being asked twice.
spoke to a glass dealer yesterday,
Several other well-respected glass dealers have cast doubts about it's origins.
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I don't think the top bowl bit is anything like Wedgwood, it's not nearly so well made (from what I can tell from the pic. - the base part is too thick and the angle between the walls and the base part is far too rounded.
If the top rim is bevelled as well as polished, I'd be more inclined towards a Wedgwood oddity, but as Christine said, it's a common enough style.
Is the top rim bevelled?
(This means that it is not simply polished flat, but has a tiny polished angle at each side to make it less sharp.)
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It's not an uncommon form, so unless you can find the person who actually made it, you are never going to prove it's Wedgwood. Wishing doesn't make it Wedgwood.
You never told us what the rim is like, despite being asked twice.
Several other well-respected glass dealers have cast doubts about it's origins.
im not wishing at all...just wondered what you knew after reading all those reference books..
the rim ?
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I don't think the top bowl bit is anything like Wedgwood, it's not nearly so well made (from what I can tell from the pic. - the base part is too thick and the angle between the walls and the base part is far too rounded.
If the top rim is bevelled as well as polished, I'd be more inclined towards a Wedgwood oddity, but as Christine said, it's a common enough style.
Is the top rim bevelled?
(This means that it is not simply polished flat, but has a tiny polished angle at each side to make it less sharp.)
a lot of apprentice pieces were made at wedgwood.
i will check the rim out..thank you