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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: eglass on August 12, 2010, 02:26:27 AM
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Hi folks!
I bought a set of barware, thinking they were either English or Scandinavian (I know, big category). Similar to Caithness Whitefriars only in that they are textured like ice - but NOT Caithness Whitefriars, at least not their "Glacier" range.
Does anyone recognize these whiskey tumblers?
Many thanks!
Kelli
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13286
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13285
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13284
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Scandanavian? :vkg:
Carolyn
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If they are particularly heavy for their size I would look at Whitefriars (attached photo of one of mine) but I think that from the photos they are Scandinavian - Finnish keeps coming to mind.
Ross
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Ross, I typed Caithness up in my original post when I meant Whitefriars Glacier. I tend to think you and Carolyn are right - these aren't overly heavy, and are quite different from the Whitefriars design-wise.
Mod: text in original post corrected for you
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We've been using these for years and I was quite surprised to find out some time ago they are actually Jeffrey Baxter whisky tumblers. Every time I plonk them into the dish washer I feel guilty but they seem to be doing OK there.
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What is the base like?
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this is Baxter. Things that look like it may be from Riedel or Oberglas, or from Raven - I guess there are others as well for textured tumblers.
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Sorry Ivo that one you have just shown is not W/Fs Baxter .
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Ahmreck's wfs pattern tumbler is Baxter's "Everest", not Glacier.
It's exactly the same as the jug I gave to the mould fund and it was id'd on wfs at the time. "vidfletch" bought it.
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Ivo, thank you! Mine are a little different on the bottom, more "finished" than the one you show so I will look through Reidel etc to try and pin them down.
Here is the bottom photo of mine:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13284
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Finland, Iittala maybe?
Chris
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Hi Chris!
I went through all of Iittala's stuff - very similar to the Ultima Thule by them but not. Thanks for looking!
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We've been using these for years and I was quite surprised to find out some time ago they are actually Jeffrey Baxter whisky tumblers. Every time I plonk them into the dish washer I feel guilty but they seem to be doing OK there.
Plonk away Ivo definitely not Whitefriars
Chris
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Not much help regarding maker but do these look similar?
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/60s-bark-texture-glass-ice-bucket-4-tumblers-eames
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Sorry Ivo that one you have just shown is not W/Fs Baxter .
Who said WF? I wouldn't DARE utter the W-word on this board. The RSW book from 1975 says they are made by Dartington.
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Then they are Frank Thrower, not Geoffrey Baxter ;)
Chris, I'm certain they are identical, maybe the ice bucket will help to identify them !
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Chris, those are definitely the same as mine! Wish I had the ice bucket. ;)
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this is Baxter. Things that look like it may be from Riedel or Oberglas, or from Raven - I guess there are others as well for textured tumblers.
Sorry Ivo must be me that's a little dumb 'this is Baxter' followed by a photo of a glass led me to think you were showing your Baxter tumbler ;D
Chris
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My Dad's name was Frank Baxter.... (not Geoffrey or Jeffrey Thrower) but I don't think he had anything to do with Ivo's tumbler......
The Dartington tumbler and ejean's both look as if they're much nicer and far more practical to use than wfs Glacier - Glacier is the most horrible thing to hold - it's sharp and uncomfortably heavy, they actually hurt my hands. If I did use them, (which I don't, they're just too horrrible) I'd still be putting them in the dishwasher. :P
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So I'm thinking my tumblers must be also by Hoya - the Ice Bucket in that Worthpoint ad shows the Hoya marking, and the glass/design is identical to that of the tumblers, it doesn't look much like a marriage to me.
I may be a little confused as well. ;)
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I never mentioned WF and I never will. Just mentioning the attribution by RSW to Baxter for Dartington in a 1975 book brings out the aggro - so thanks a lot, you go and fight it out among yourselves. :wsh:
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The Dartington books make no mention of Baxter designing for them in that period, though Tony Kessler, Anita Harris and Rachael Woodman are mentioned for later Thrower years.
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How could anybody cast aspersions on RSW as an authority?
(I don't have that RSW book, I want it, it's beautiful and it's got images of Michael Harris' work in it!)
I for one, am grateful for this interesting little snippet of info. Thanks, Ivo - can I join you? :wsh:
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I'm trying to get a handle on this thread. Two questions:
Is RSW wrong in his attribution to Baxter?
Is there any agreement of who designed the glass that started this thread?
Help!
David
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I think RSW might just be wrong, so yes I am casting nasturtiums. The Dartington books say the use of other designers at Dartington was considered during the early period but nothing ever came of it for various reasons but not FT spitting his dummy out.
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Ivo dont get me wrong i am like you not a great fan of Whitefriars only the early Powell , and too many strange people on that other forum , when you tell them the truth they delete if it doesnt suit them as i said before one member voted several no,s on an isit item then bought it and bragged about it on the same forum but got caught out . some of the nicer members are spending more time on GMB now . ;D :cry: :ooh: PS Steve i am not saying you are strange tho it could be catching and there is no treatment for it . :chky:
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;D
(stamps little foot in tantrum, pouts petulantly)
I wanted to cast the nasturtiums, Christine! :-*
(then thought, hmm international forum, perhaps best not to confuse folk any more than this thread has already become confused.)
David has summed it up nicely
Is the concensus that the original tumblers being discussed are most likely to be Hoya?
And was RSW right or wrong about Baxter designing for Dartington at some point? (pre '75)
(ahmreck's are definitely everest, not glacier, but are a red herring, 'cos we're not discussing "wfy" stuff here, it's not relevant)
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I never mentioned WF and I never will. Just mentioning the attribution by RSW to Baxter for Dartington in a 1975 book brings out the aggro - so thanks a lot, you go and fight it out among yourselves. :wsh:
Not sure why the seemingly OTT reaction? the wording appeared to suggest the photo was the 'Baxter' whiskey tumbler you had referred to, my mistake,looked back through the post and cannot find anyone being remotely 'aggressive' ? or anyone 'fighting' Thought Baxter worked exclusively for W/f for 26 years from 1954 so the Dartington connection is quite a surprise, though 'freelancing' is not unknown.
Chris
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I felt exactly the same as you Chris !
and as for Baxter working for Dartington; first I've ever heard of it..and Dartington certainly don't seem to know about it
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Fred Baxter he used to bring the sarnies round at lunchtime . :huh:
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Hi. I think the confusion here arises out of one of the obvious errors in RSW's 2nd book 'Modern Glass' On page 33 Ronnie incorrectly attributes Baxter's Glacier range as being produced by Dartington. The maker is of course Whitefriars. I have no knowledge of Baxter working for Dartington. There are a few mistakes in the book it's still wonderful.
Cheers,
Richard
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Ah!
That explains it
Thanks Richard :)
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Thank you for the confirmation Richard, you too Bob
Kelli.... been doing some research on Hoya, only thing I can find is a Japanese firm mainly involved in optical lenses? anyone else know of another Hoya glass? could it be red herring and just referring to the stainless steel handle maker?
Did manage to find this though, good clear photo and check the price :sun:
http://www.midcenturymania.com/hoya%20ice%20bucket.html
Chris
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Same company I think Chris
see here :
http://www.etsy.com/listing/37667015/vintage-hoya-scandinavian-crystal-ice (http://www.etsy.com/listing/37667015/vintage-hoya-scandinavian-crystal-ice)
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Thanks for all the input - I did just find this listed at replacements.com - click on the "Old Fashioned" link on this page, and there we have my tumblers:
http://www.replacements.com/webquote/HOYHOY5.htm
I've had decorative crystal plates with beautifully engraved flowers done by Hoya, but never anything like these. I appreciate everyone's help on these!
Kelli
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Chris, trying searching on "Hoya Crystal".
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One of probably many labels used:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-11837
John
Mod: link converted to absolute URL (see URL line in File Information box below the image) - any other URL may not give the correct result depending on the viewer's sorting settings for GlassGallery
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Thanks Cathy B
Never thought of putting crystal in the search :-[ cheers
You too John for the link to the label
Chris
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Thanks for all the help on these, folks. I've listed them and given credit to this Board. :)
Cheers to all!