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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: eglass on August 16, 2010, 01:25:10 AM
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This one is just for fun. We're 99.99% positive it's authentic, based on the style and execution of the finish and decor.
My husband went to an early sale yesterday morning, and was the first to arrive. He called me after he left the sale, and for once was SPEECHLESS to describe what he'd found, lol. He did notice damage to the piece, but it was priced so low and the people who were selling it were so clueless to it's origin that he bought it without even seeing the L.C.T. mark (we found that at home later, although it's very very pale).
The woman was all business and ready to wrap things up - she'd flown in from back East, Long Island NY, to help her mother enter hospice care and sell the contents/house. She and her siblings had picked through and packed up everything they wanted, but the damaged pieces were for sale and let go for literally pennies.
This was $20.
12" tall, 6" rim diameter, 9.25" wide. We will have a hard time letting this one go!!!!
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13299
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13300
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13301
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13302
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Here are 4 more, including the mark.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13303
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13304
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13305
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-13306
Kelli
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:mrgreen:
What a gorgeous vase. $20! I don't know a lot about LCT signatures, but the finish is absolutely beautiful.
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Anita, I was suspicious of any handwritten sig too, but have been assured by a few museum folks that it is absolutely correct. I'm still in awe of it, and kind of scared of it, lol!
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I don't doubt it at all. The finish looks like spun gold in the pictures. I understand why people love LC Tiffany so much.
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I don't know anything about LCT marks either...but that is a monster gorgeous piece of glass! 12" high?! $20?!! :thud:
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Hi
Lovely piece and I guess I do know quite a bit about Tiffany signatures - I'd say.......
Hard to tell from a picture but in all probability that's 100% right -more importantly the rest of it looks absolutely right
well done
Cheers
Mike
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I have no wish to pour rain on the parade over your purchase but if you take a look at this web page there is one signature very close to what you have.
http://www.tiffanyfakes.com/the_fakes_5.htm (http://www.tiffanyfakes.com/the_fakes_5.htm)
There are a couple of very good sites on Tiffany glass just put Tiffany glass into Google.
Regards Mike
I do hope yours is genuine.
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Sorry I should have put, there are two gold items about half way down the page with the dodgy sigs on.
Regards Mike
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Mike
well spotted -the one here is in a better position (position is v important with LCT signatures) -but from the photos there is a definite similarity.
On second look the L is a little odd. So is the way its applied/etched.
I did say its hard to tell from photos.... (serves me right for saying I know something about such signatures)
Even if the signature is wrong - I wouldn't give up hope - there are almost as many added signatures on never originally signed but still original Tiffany as there are added signatures on non Tiffany -the piece still looks right
cheers
M
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Even if it's not Tiffany, :mrgreen: it has to be worth $20 of anyone's money.
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Indeed! :hiclp:
I also think there are some beauties on the Fakes site, whether they're tiffany or not.
I'm a bit confused about the statement that real signatures are "counterclockwise" - how does one tell?
Does that not mean just upside-down? and if so, in relation to what? the centre of the base?
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Sue, yes, counterclockwise in relation to the center of the base. Our piece has the sig written counter-clockwise.
I have looked at that Fakes site too. :) Lots of pretty glass there, no matter where it's from. I have to wonder about people though who will forge a sig on an already gorgeous piece of art glass that would do very well on its own.
I guess all we can do is try to authenticate this based on form and execution....
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Or just enjoy it!
So the tops of the letters LCT should be towards the centre, on real ones.
(I hate only two alternatives, one right and one wrong, one left and one right :spls:... if there's a third option, it all becomes so much easier - you can make a directional algorithm that's easy to remember!)
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OR the person who signed was a little off-center that day... ;) since his pieces were signed by hand, I'm sure that's always a possibility too.
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I'm confused, surely yours is signed counterclockwise and that is good, isn't it. :huh:
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Yes, mine is signed counterclockwise, a good thing. :)
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Christine, I think it's just that there are SO MANY forgeries out there, that people are highly skeptical of any piece that shows up, especially one that sold so inexpensively. But you have to remember that the gal that sold this piece thought it was "carnival glass" and had no clue about ANY of the items she was selling since they weren't hers. She had quite a large set of Waterford crystal that she said was Fostoria, for example. I've been buying/selling glass long enough to be super suspicious of most "too good to be true" pieces, but this one rings true to me.
But I still won't sell it as Tiffany until I'm completely certain.
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:o
Did you get hold of the Waterford? Sadly, they've gone out of business, which makes their stuff start heading towards premium prices.....
I'd agree with you that the provenance of your piece is pretty good. :thup:
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Sue, I left the Waterford - it was chipped up, so useless for resale purposes. I DO buy Waterford though, every time I can find it in excellent shape. It's one of those items that sells itself - the name alone means superior quality.
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Hi,
The very best way would be to send them a link to the GMB site via email or send them pics direct I am sure they would be most helpful.
Email address is info(AT)tiffanyfakes.com [change (AT) to @ to make the email address work]
I'll keep my fingers crossed that it is genuine.
Regards Mike
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Thanks Mike! That is an excellent idea. I will do so, once I've heard from the Morse Museum curator - I have an email request in to them as well.
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Okay, here's the latest - I talked with Philip Chasen (chasenantiques.com) and he will review photos and determine if he can authenticate and appraise this. He will send me something in writing in a few days.
I will let you all know how this shakes out!
Many thanks for all the input, and please cross your fingers!
Kelli
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We will all keep our fingers crossed. :X:
Regards Mike :X:
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I will let you all know how this shakes out!
Many thanks for all the input, and please cross your fingers!
Good luck...even if it's a fake, it's a lovely piece of glass. I do love a big lump. :thup:
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And if it's not the real deal, I imagine I wouldn't mind having it around here to look at. :)
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Woohoo!
Kelli
Below you will find a copy of your appraisal. I'll put a hard copy in the mail today.
Best.
Philip
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August 18, 2010
APPRAISAL
Kelli Rooney
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xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, NM 87120
Tiffany Studios loving cup, American, circa 1910.
The form of the loving cup is rare and unusual with three body sections, three handles and nine applied tendrils. The handles extend from the body to the knop below. Three tendrils are applied to the body between each pair of handles, repeating three times. The entire surface has been completed in a gold iridescent finish. The signature is engraved on the underside of the foot “L.C.T.”. The loving cup measures 12" tall x 6" diameter. One of the handles has been broken off and professionally re-joined to the body. The rest of the loving cup is in good condition.
I'm leaving off the value in this forum, but will say that itsvalue if perfect is less than we thought it would be, but value "as is" is MORE than we thought it would be. All in all we're tickled pink!
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Check out this gentleman's website, and don't forget to click on the "blog" link. Interesting read, the turnout at various glass shows and expos over the past year.
www.chasenantiques.com
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WoohooHOO!
So, what are you going to do with it? Keep it and enjoy it for a while, then sell it so you can do something nice/essential later?
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We're going to keep it for awhile. I think it will be hard to sell with the damage (everyone on "that" website wants everything to be perfect, for a nickel). I think we'll just enjoy it for awhile, unless someone comes out of the woodwork and makes an offer on it. I kinda like it, lol.
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Great news. Well done! :D
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Fantastic Always nice to have a rarebit :hiclp: :hiclp: :rah: :rah: :chky: :chky: :dance: :band: :cheers:
Well done time for a party, Will you send some air tickets over? Club Class of course.
Regards Mike
If you sell dont forget to let us know how much you get for it.
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Ummm, which website is "that"?
The link you gave? I couldn't see buyers or any "talk" there.
(But I do want to know who made the panther pot and the bee pot on his home page.)
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Mike, will do! :) I will report back with any sales news, for sure!
Sue, I was referring to eBay. In the past when listing something pretty nice there, I get tons of very low-ball offers, it's pretty disheartening.
On the www.chasenantiques.com site, that is just the appraiser's business website. Up at the top there are several links - one is to his "blog". That's where he documents his trips to sales, events, etc. I don't think there are any comments on his own sales there, but I haven't gone through the whole site yet.
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Very nice find "K" & I think you are wise to keep it for awhile & enjoy it mostly due to the fact that the buyers segment you are targeting are extremely picky. Ken
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I thought you were referring to some fancy tiffany collectors' site, sorry!
Could you not include a statement on your listings telling potential buyers not to send insulting low-ball offers (perhaps not in those words exactly!) as they won't be considered?
As a buyer of the odd thing, I get frustrated when something really interesting or unusual disappears early for a price I'd have topped by a good margin.
I have to confess to diving in once and making a (very good - condsiderably more than the items had sold for previously) offer to end an auction early - I was just getting so sick of bits vanishing.
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Re the low offer makers, I often say to them "make me an offer I can't refuse". You tend not to hear from them again, they are trying to get the item cheaply, hoping you do not have a good idea of the value.
John
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Sue, when I list an item for auction, I don't ever stop the auction early, unless I've made a mistake in the description. I let it run its full course, it's just not fair to all those who have been watching and are looking forward to bidding at the very end.
John, you're right. There's just a certain number of people who have no manners, lol - regardless of the fact that I rarely use the "or Best Offer" feature, they feel compelled to email with their "Will you take $10?" pleas. It's okay, all part of this business. I just wish the economy would turn around for all of us!