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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: antiquerose123 on September 04, 2010, 07:22:19 AM
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:hi: I got this today. I guess it is a penguin with lots of iridescent....not sure you would call it a PW, or just an animal. I bought it because it reminded me of the Egg Shaped PW that has the same iridescent tones to it. About 6 inches tall.
That link is here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,33851.0.html
So that is why I bought it -- it reminded me of that one. Now this one has what is left of a Triangular label (ignore the marks of red on it, as the place where I bought it uses a Red Grease pencil on the bottom of things -- Gr-r-r-r-r-r) so who knows that Color the label was before. I am assuming, that the label (might) have been foil, because the messy sticky backing is still there. If it was just a paper label, I think all of it would have been gone with no traces, as it would have washed right off. This is only a guess though. Not sure if this might be from "The Glassy Eye" or not as stated in the other related link here....as I will have to see if their are any label there at all -- that are at least a Triangular shape. It is a bit of a lead, but not much, but at least we have the *shape* of the label. Base shows some wear.
Thanks as always.....They kinda look nice together (the egg PW and the Penguin). May its it egg...LOL
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Left-field thought - that triangular sticker reminds me of Isle of Wight - have you checked them?
Ross
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Rose/Ross - re the suggestion of IOW. Looking at Mark Hill's book, would appear that their triangular sticker was in black only. There are rectangular stickers, in both a pale buff and black:)
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Rose/Ross - re the suggestion of IOW. Looking at Mark Hill's book, would appear that their triangular sticker was in black only. There are rectangular stickers, in both a pale buff and black:)
thanks Paul S/Ross -- The Red is from a RED Grease pencil they use to mark stuff. I had a red *A* (For August ??) that was written on by the store. They do this all the time, so they know how long it has been there (in case it needs to be reduced). They always write the marks with this red grease pencil on label and stuff (makes me mad.. >:() but if they did not, then people would just *rub* the grease pencil off from the slippery glass surface.
Gee I wished I had taken a pic before I tried to get rid of the red grease pencil mark on the label -- as I kinda tried to rub the red grease pencil off the label some before I took the pic.
So who knows what color the label may have been -- but I did see that IOW does have a label that is in that shape. I have been rooting around, but have found no Penguin :nix: ----- Yet. ;)
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The Design Center London had a triangular label, it was used on various manufacturers products: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10501
John
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John I was just thinking that and you beat me to posting. ;D
Rose, what size in mm is your label? I have some glasses with the Design Centre label on - I can measure and compare sizes with you. :)
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The Isle of Wight label is 15mm base to apex and c. 19mm along each side.
Ross
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And the IOW labels corners are a bit sharper round (smaller radius) if I recall.
Rose, You got this in Canada, at a local shop right? We may be on the wrong coast.
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It wouldn't surprise me if this was from a Canadian studio; this is just the sort of bread and butter item that small studios make.
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With that sort of lustre on it, IoWSG can be ruled out.
To my knowledge, they've only recently started making penguins - there are none on the site, but I have a small blue one. It's a wee dumpy cute thing, very well modelled, and quite different to this!
It's a bit reminiscent of Phoenecian glass, which also had triangular labels at some point - see here.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250680266795&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
>:D >:D >:D or maybe it's yet another "Boffo frigger"........ :24:
sorryRose, I'm not being serious - ignore that last comment - i just couldn't resist a little dig!
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>:D >:D >:D or maybe it's yet another "Boffo frigger"........ :24:
sorryRose, I'm not being serious - ignore that last comment - i just couldn't resist a little dig!
:24: :24: :24: Sue, I've been waiting for you to join this thread and make just that remark! :24: :24: :24:
:thup:
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:hi: there:
Okay - I got a old dumpy clear ruler here, and for the first time in my life I measured in mm. I did not know where to *actually* start to measure since it is a rounded corner (Eg) where the corner is, or where it would extend to if it was not rounded. So I will let you guys decide. So here are some pics of measurements and a closer shot of the rounded corner. Does this help at all?? :X:
It's a bit reminiscent of Phoenecian glass, which also had triangular labels at some point - see here.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250680266795&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
>:D >:D >:D or maybe it's yet another "Boffo frigger"........ :24:
sorryRose, I'm not being serious - ignore that last comment - i just couldn't resist a little dig!
Ahhhhhhhhhh....the dig is Okay. :kissy:
Just remember - even though I am in Canada and have found (I think) some good things. Years ago there were lots of European Immigrants. So you never know what a person may find. Some of the other good things I have found:
~ Murano Glass Duck with 3 perfect labels on it (with Booze still in it !!) lol
~ Fratelli Toso over-sized Vase with Perfect label
~ Fratelli Toso Matching Bowl to the Over-sized Vase
~ Paul Kedelve Signed piece (1953)
~ Murano Figure with the swirled Base (and partial label)
~ The Kralik thing, with the 3 legs
~ The Royal Art Glass Czech Item (pre War) part label
~ Bullet Vase with perfect label
~ The other Czech glass (Sklovice) ones
So that is my Dig back......................From Canada.... :24: :24: :24: :24: :24: :24: :24: :kissy: :kissy: ;D
Glass can be everywhere, but yes, ones location is a starting point. So digs are Ok. I am easy to get along with. I have a sense of humor !!!
ADDED: Whoooops, so busy giving Digs back, I photo to add the pics............ :24:
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The sticker is definitely smaller than an IOW triangle - so it is not them. Can't think of anyone else who used a similar shape.
Ross
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The Isle of Wight label is 15mm base to apex and c. 19mm along each side.
Ross
When I measure the *bisect* of the triangle (from top point, down the middle) to the bottom edge - it is exactly 15mm. I took a pic of this too, but have to load it on here yet.
So what is the measurements of that other one - the Design Center of London (??). Just would nice to give it a name....any name...how about just Art Glass :24:
A2 + B2 = C2 ;D ( ....and Pie are round, not squared....)
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One reason I was prepared to have a punt at IOW is that I have 2 vases - a "Ribbons" and a "Victorian Silver" that both display slight iridescence.
But wait I have just discovered a small vase, misplaced in my IOW folder, by Kerry Glass - Made in England, complete with a triangular label just like IOW's. See pictures below. One problem, the pontil has been stamped with the symbol shown on the label - so it is also dubious.
Stll they may not use the stamp any more?
Ross
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The iridesence on IoWSG is more subtle than this - it's almost pearlised rather than this bright shiny appearance.
Kerry Glass was one of Michael Harris' ventures, hence the similarity in some designs, the flame pontil mark and the black triangular labels.
Your Kerry piece is unusual Ross, being in the Tortoiseshell spiral pattern originally developed (actually at Mdina) then used in a more delicate way at IoWSG - most Kerry stuff is in the Heather, Peat and Shamrock patterns, or PWs is the swirled design - though often in a green not seen so often in IoWSG.
The flame pontil mark was used at both Kerry and IoWSG. An interesting anecdote is that at Kerry, they lost the flame pontil mark stamp at some point, so they made a new one - but the flame is reversed.
(Rose I wasn't digging at you - it was a bit of a dig at wfs folk who seem to me to want to attribute all small penguins to being friggers by the masterglassmaker Vicente Boffo)
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Rose, bear with me whilst I root out the DC labelled stuff from the boxes upstairs... meanwhile, I spotted another same shaped label in Murano101 here: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-9242 for Ferro & Lazzarini, Murano, Italy.
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:hi: there:
Finally adding the pic where I took the bisect measurement as I had stated before it was exactly 15 mm -- So here is the pic to show it.
When I measure the *bisect* of the triangle (from top point, down the middle) to the bottom edge - it is exactly 15mm. I took a pic of this too, but have to load it on here yet.
Hummmmmmmm.... I wonder now (?) do we need to add measurements for some labels that are similar in design, but (maybe) not in Size....Just a thought ::)
Strange glass ---> :nix:
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Ok I found the tumblers with the DC label and measured the same as Rose did and the labels are 18mm exactly. :)
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Has anyone mentioned St John's Glass from the Isle of Man? I have a few pieces that look for all the world like pieces of IOW glass, and the triangular label is the same size and shape as the IOW glass labels. So could it be that?
I was going to mention Phoenician Glass, but you pipped me to the post!
Night night as it is very late!
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Has anyone mentioned St John's Glass from the Isle of Man? I have a few pieces that look for all the world like pieces of IOW glass, and the triangular label is the same size and shape as the IOW glass labels. So could it be that?
I was going to mention Phoenician Glass, but you pipped me to the post!
Night night as it is very late!
Hi, do you have a pic (measurements) of these label?? Thanks.... :kissy:
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Ooo Er!! Apologies.... I have just looked at them and they are all Isle of Wight!!! I'm Rich!! I could have sworn that some of them said St John's Crystal Isle of Man, but the ones like that are all circular labels!! Sorry Rose, :-[
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Sorry Rose. I was wrong, I was right!! :rah:
St John's Crystal Isle of Man does have a triangular label...1.5cm + 1.5cm.
I have tried to download it but it is too big so have asked Ann if I can send it to her to modify and load for me.....it is on a little glass ellie, the same shape as the IOW ones I have, but in a lovely red mottled glass. I am sure I have some more somewhere....I will go and have another look.
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I think these may work...if they are too small let me know!!
Mod: Larger images replaced as requested by rosieposie
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Thank you Anne, much clearer now. :sun: :thud:
Hope this helps you antiquerose123.
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Thank you Anne, much clearer now. :sun: :thud:
Hope this helps you antiquerose123.
thanks Rosieposie....
Did you measure yours? Did they make iridescent stuff like the penguin? I will have to do some googling here to see what i can find.
thanks a zillion :kissy: :kissy: , so you think it might be that one....gosh, so many triangular labels. Really makes one think about adding the sizes of the label when they are posted in the glass gallery. If we gonna collect samples of labels, might as well be one step ahead and post the size it is too....making the references in the gallery have a +++ advantage
Nice idea to maybe think about...or to keep in mind. :thup:
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*** Polite Bump ***
Still nothing on this Penguin, BUT I did happen to find something that did look similar See HERE (http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/drueylane/items/997273/item997273cyberattic.html). Looks very, very much the same iridescent, and motted white there too.
No maker there, but they call the white blotches *Snow Spots* and state pre-1980???
So thought this *might* help a bit.................as this post is still a Mystery :ho: At least we can see another animal in this same type of design, etc....and maybe down the road that will help to find more info. :X:
Thanks
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Hi Rose, I have got an 'ellie' just like this bird that I always assumed was Heron Glass, but I bought it over here in UK.....would a picture help if I posted one, as the finish seems so similar??
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Hi Rose, I have just seen this on eBay, and it has a triangular label, and lots of similarities to your penguin.....it is Phoenician!! Lookie look:-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PHOENICAN-GLASS-MALTA-PENGUIN-PAPERWEIGHT-/110604512049?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item19c08aeb31
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Am I the only one still trying to find the maker of this lovely penguin??
Here are the pictures of the ellies I have that might help. I think the larger dark iridescent on and the white one are Heron glass and the little one was bought from the USA and is apparently Mount St Helen's glass.
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Am I the only one still trying to find the maker of this lovely penguin??
Here are the pictures of the ellies I have that might help. I think the larger dark iridescent on and the white one are Heron glass and the little one was bought from the USA and is apparently Mount St Helen's glass.
:kissy:
i think we have mentioned Mount St Helen here in the beginning -- Has anyone seen a label by them (Mount St Helen)?? -- and I will look to see about Heron Glass Too. Thanks Rosie.
The more heads :ghug: working on any piece of glass -- the more results. That is why this forum is so SUPER !!!