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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: tropdevin on September 09, 2010, 07:21:15 PM
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I did not expect to win this very rare paperweight (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574631383&toolid=10001&campid=5336261829&customid=&icep_item=190437676010&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg) - and I was seriously outbid! But it would have looked nice in my cabinet....
Alan
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Hi Alan,
How did you know it was Clichy rather than Baccarat or St Louis ....just curios to know.
If you had won it you would have had to have gone to France to pick it up ! I wouldn't trust the postal service !!
Cheers, Mike.
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The flowers and design are typical of Clichy, rather than any other French factory. The Clichy book has 3 or 4 pages of Clichy flower designs, including very similar ones. It covers Clichy items in general, but there is quite a lot about Clichy paperweights. It is in French: La Cristallerie De Clichy - Une Prestigieuse Manufacture Du Xixe Siècle and costs over £50.00....
I might well have gone to pick it up, as I like trips to France!
Alan
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I've seen the book advertised ..will have to add it to a list of other books which cost an arm and a leg ! It would be a good one to improve my very rusty 'o' level French though. :fr: Ta, Mike.
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Alan you cheapskate!! E3500,00 was a very reasonable price for such a rare clichy piece ;)
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I've seen the book advertised ..will have to add it to a list of other books which cost an arm and a leg ! It would be a good one to improve my very rusty 'o' level French though. :fr: Ta, Mike.
I too love to own a good reference book. But until then you can peek at this one (http://books.google.com/books?id=KEYMY4_ytuUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=La+Cristallerie+De+Clichy+-+Une+Prestigieuse+Manufacture+Du+Xixe+Si%C3%A8cle&source=bl&ots=pSuMoeJRYn&sig=NcEGV0lSsxM8ZgIG1dZdaCJRRuc&hl=en&ei=U2-LTLv5Bs2bnAeNmvj1Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false) on Google books.
The number of pages you can view is limited but it's something.
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Thanks Sach !
I'm just about able to read it with help from a very thick French dictionary !
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The underside of the weight looks far better than it's top side, is there any reason for this?
(The flowers are far better formed and more complex.)
There are a lot of extraneous bubbles in the dome too, is this normal?
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I think the reason for the difference is that the top surface of the weight is somewhat scuffed and scratched, and the photographer has not managed to avoid reflections - whereas the concave base is free of scratches and reflections on its image.
Alan
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Yep, It looks up-side-down to me. What flower (even a fantasy one) has petal clusters flowering towards the centre ?
From the base it looks perfect.
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yes, it's the complex finish (with the extra outlined bulbous shapes at the ends of the petals) which is much better from the underside - it's the canes which are smudged at the ends of the petals, looking at it from the top.
I'm sure you could do far better than this one-which-got-away!
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Having said that the crimping on the leaves looks right and there is a trail of stalks looking from the underside so it has been set correctly ! Perhaps a false alarm :thud:
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In addition to Alan's points about the photos ...
A basic feature of any domed weight is that from the top, the interior elements will all be magnified, therefore enhancing any imperfections arising during the dome construction, which can distort the "upper surface" of the inner design through spreading and so forth. In the weight mentioned here, note how the white "bud" has lost much of its "whiteness" when viewed from the top but from below it is clearly a very neat slice of cane. That is quite typical of the distortions that can happen during the normal making procedures. It happened quiite a lot with Paul Ysart weights, too - but only in the clear base weights can the effect be appreciated. In some cases, a cane structire can look very different when viewed from the top and through the base. I have a good example of a PY weight that looks "ok" from the top but is much, much better when viewed through the base.
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Very educational, KevH. This has been an interesting topic all the way around.
Thanks .... Lily :)